Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

Walls can be circumvented in all three directions.

Noddy: "The United States has used gunboat diplomacy in Asia at least since 1853, when Commodore Matthew C. Perry sailed his fleet into Tokyo Bay, intimidating Japan into opening up to foreign trade. But these days, the Chinese are fashioning an Asian version of the Monroe Doctrine to press their imperial ambitions. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy

 

history repeats itself.. when in 1644 sweden threathened to close the sound to dutch baltic trade, the dutch ambassador
answered that he had seen the keys to the sound floating in amsterdam harbour.. but that is no excuse for the us to keep a fleet of carriers in commission for half a century at the taxpayers expense, and they did not actually use it. how many billions that cost i cannot begin to guess..

 

@gorski: Sure they can, but it's not about the actual wall. It's about the money allocated for the studies, the planning and the attempted construction.

@nodnar: Because it's about money, and the money made on the maintenance contracts by the Military Industrial Complex and its' contractors.
Our government maintains a certain level of fear in the tax paying masses to coerce them into spending money on defense.

We had the cold war (Communism) and now we have the Terrorist threat and ISIS.

It always comes down to money, and who is making it by being involved. Even the legal teams who defend the underdogs are making money.
Litigation is a costly affair, and the one with the most money almost always wins.

Trump and his predecessors are only cogs in a sophisticated machine designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor.
It's important that we all understand that, because it's the only way to survive and thrive in society.

And make no mistake about it. The USA did -NOT- invent these constructs of control. We just got very good at the application of those concepts.

"And the band plays on...."

 

So, the increase in the US military budget goes to the wall and that is paid by - the Mexicans, eh? They had no idea they are spending that much on somebody else's military, I am sure...

 

that is right. they need a nice little enemy for the revolving door to keep turning.. and i am not so naive that i believe trump cannot build that wall if he can build a $13 billion aircraft carrier and keep it commission with 2000 odd crewmembers, that you cannot even sail into the desert.

 

@gorski: Nope. It always comes down to the American Taxpayer picking up the tab.

Here's an imaginary scenario: Let's say that, by some extraordinary feat that the Wall was built, and we managed to keep the majority of people from crossing the southern border into the USA.
Mexico would be forced to deal with the influx of illegals in their own country. They would, in effect be forced to close their own southern border to keep them out. And / or, they may come to us (the USA) for help.

Which will cost them money, and lots of it.

So they would end up "paying for the wall", by building their own, or having to deal with the immigration problem that they would then have.

I'm not saying that this is what's happening. I'm just saying that somewhere, some advisor might have proposed this is a possible scenario.

So, it's entirely possible that someone is trying to implement this.

Just a thought...

 

Another scenario would be to close the free trade status with Mexico. If Mexico wants to do business selling goods to the U.S., they'll have to pay an import tax to cover the cost of the wall

 

As far as i know of, the only thing the U.S. has been exporting to Mexico is U.S. manufacturing and jobs
And it won't hurt my feelings if we need to get Tequila from someplace else

 

@Joe C: Well there is oil and rubber.

What saddens me is the fact that Mexico exports Coke Classic into this country, and that will be taxed.
I won't drink US Coca Cola because they use High Fructose Corn Syrup.

Mexico uses Sugar, so I drink that.

 

thinking of san fernando valley girls... el trumpo will not want to keep them out, i trust.

 

excuse me, @bat, but it is like i am reading a post of ts..give me unlimited money, like you get from drugs, and i can send a 40 foot container full of that sh*t ashore in the us.

 

lmpose? consider smoking, @ katz; millions are addicted..but smoking is [still] legal'; so the govt taxes it like hell.
i pay 5.70 euros for a 25 cigarettes pack, that costs 25 cents to make. the rest is tax. but they cannot tax drugs,drugs being illegal..
it would be tantamount to a crime.. more people go to hell from smoking than from drugs.. is the government doing a decent job,
earning money to give people cancer??

 

LOL
That reminds me of the late 80's and early 90's when General Motors moved their engine manufacturing factories to Mexico.
One out of four engines imported from there lasted more than 500 miles. There was one which blew up before it left the garage.

We dubbed them the "Juan Julio Goodwrench" engines.
As a mechanic getting paid by the hour I made out good on that deal, others including General Motors lost big time.

 

That won't happen. The gubbermint knows not to try to take away from the CIA's business.

 

lol. shoddy workmanship. get a toyota.

 

@Katzenfreund: The tax that nodnar is referring to is called a Sin Tax. It varies by state here in the USA.

As far as I can see, there are two major reasons that drugs are illegal.

1 ) Quality and safety. Most illegal drugs (with the exception of illegally sold pharmaceutical drugs) are made in clandestine laboratories.
The level of purity can not be obtained with illegal drugs, and there's a possibility that people can be poisoned.

and

2 ) Taxability. The government(s) do not and can not profit by taxing their use and distribution.

Point 2 is a double-edged sword. Yes, the government does not profit, but deals made with illegal drugs can be made without creating an audit trail.
This allows for untraceable payoffs to be made.

 

The same spirit in another country, the same results:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ildren-from-house-fire-to-be-deported-from-uk

[h=1]Man who saved two children from Manchester fire to be deported[/h]


Robert Chilowa, a Zimbabwean national, has been told there was ‘no case to answer’ for his case to stay and he must leave his house within 12 days