Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

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#341 Michaela Joy, Mar 4, 2017
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Mork was an illegal alien too
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That's what makes it so funny...

And not off topic.
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#342 Joe C, Mar 4, 2017

Michaela Joy said: ↑

That's what makes it so funny...

And not off topic.
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That goes to prove my theory that dhjohns is really a martian

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#343 JFKI, Mar 4, 2017

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That goes to prove my theory that dhjohns is really a martian
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Silly me... I thought she was from... What is that one between Jupiter and Neptune ?
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#344 Michaela Joy, Mar 4, 2017

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Silly me... I thought she was from... What is that one between Jupiter and Neptune ?
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Uhhh...Nibiru?

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#345 dhjohns, Mar 4, 2017

Joe C said: ↑

That goes to prove my theory that dhjohns is really a martian
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Could be, but I am actually a real, live American!

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#346 Joe C, Mar 4, 2017

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Could be, but I am actually a real, live American!
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I doubt it, most likely an illegal alien

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#347 dhjohns, Mar 4, 2017

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I doubt it, most likely an illegal alien
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Legal until proven guilty in a court of law.

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#348 JFKI, Mar 5, 2017

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Legal until proven guilty in a court of law.
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'splains a LOT!
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#349 gorski, Mar 5, 2017

I said "foreign policy". Who of us has shaped it directly?

Indirectly, passively, maybe: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/04/cambridge-analytics-data-brexit-trump

Happy days, when we are "managed" according to who has more money and is unperturbed by laws and "good conduct" as to how to use it...

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#350 Joe C, Mar 5, 2017
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The company, which has offices in London, New York and Washington, uses data analysis to build up sophisticated profiles of individuals to predict how they might vote. Reportedly part-owned by US billionaire Robert Mercer, it claims to have played an influential role in the US election, using its data-crunching ability to identify key swing voters.
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Obviously that didn't work in the way they predicted. The media gave Hillary the election and was shaken when Trump actually won. So much surprised that the left wing liberals had a massive temper tantrum over it, and trashed the city

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#351 bloodstone, Mar 5, 2017

considering that 80% of migrants made their way over in a plane, probably not. also, there will always be boarder guards willing to take money to look the other way.

the wall also wont be built before trumps out of office again soooo
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#352 Katzenfreund, Mar 5, 2017 (OP)

By coincidence, yesterday I heard on the Netherlands Sat TV that protectionism is known to hit badly the low income people with high proportion of their budget being for essentials, whose prices increase drastically. The impact is estimated at 61%.

Of course, that referred to goods rather than people (immigrants), but shows again that countries allowing free trade aren’t doing others a favor, only to their own people.
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#353 Michaela Joy, Mar 5, 2017

Katzenfreund said: ↑

By coincidence, yesterday I heard on the Netherlands Sat TV that protectionism is known to hit badly the low income people with high proportion of their budget being for essentials, whose prices increase drastically. The impact is estimated at 61%.

Of course, that referred to goods rather than people (immigrants), but shows again that countries allowing free trade aren’t doing others a favor, only to their own people.
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We Americans have heard stories of how the former Soviet Union had to allow a black market to exist in order for the people to be able to get western goods. So what you say makes a lot of sense.

Free trade allows us all to enjoy products that may not otherwise be available in our respective countries. It's a good thing, but, as we all can see it can be used as a weapon against other countries. We manipulate their economy by imposing tariffs on exported goods. And they do the same.

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#354 gorski, Mar 6, 2017

https://www.thenation.com/article/who-belongs-in-america/

[FONT=&quot]Now that he’s in office, ICE agents have conducted raids in at least 12 states, sparking widespread fear in immigrant communities. People have begun to avoid soccer games and church services, worried that they might be swept up in a raid. The [/FONT]Los Angeles Times[FONT=&quot] reported that, after a raid on Asian restaurants in Mississippi, some undocumented immigrants stopped going to work and are pulling their children from school. Trump’s policies, and the hateful rhetoric that accompanies them, have an undeniably racist element. The president has never proposed building a wall along the Canadian border. ICE is not raiding white neighborhoods in Boston looking for undocumented Irish immigrants. This is simply an assault on those immigrants who are steering America away from a white majority.[/FONT]
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#355 dhjohns, Mar 6, 2017

Exactamundo!

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#356 PointZero, Mar 6, 2017

gorski said: ↑

https://www.thenation.com/article/who-belongs-in-america/
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"Up to 50,000 undocumented Irish facing deportation from the US as Donald Trump vows to boot out illegal immigrants"

https://www.thesun.ie/news/491339/u...ld-trump-vows-to-boot-out-illegal-immigrants/
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#357 gorski, Mar 6, 2017

Not the best of sources...

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#358 JFKI, Mar 6, 2017

@ dhjohns.

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#359 Joe C, Mar 6, 2017

It's silly to scream "racists" when it simply does not exist. Trump is removing all illegals regardless of color or nationality. I think it's those that are racists that scream racists the loudest

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#360 gorski, Mar 6, 2017
He isn't, from what we can see and that's the point. It's not happening with the Irish etc. Even "The (Irish) Sun" says it. "Being afraid he might" is not the same as "he is doing it", is it?
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