Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

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Will the wall be effective against illegal immigrants?

  1. Yes, the wall will be largely effective

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  2. It will only have a small effect not worth the cost

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  3. No, it will be a monumental failure

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  1. PointZero

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  2. Tiger-1

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    @PointZero yep very good article, police on them!! :yes::sneaky:
     
  3. meomeo031

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    lol. shoddy workmanship :D. get a toyota. :D
     
  4. Michaela Joy

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  5. Katzenfreund

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    I've just heard in the news a case of alleged discrimination against Trump. Apparently, Obama already in his 1st term in office tried to stop immigration from Mexico by increasing border policing, and the bill was quickly passed by congress, by both Democrats and Republicans.

    So are we seeing double standards in action?

    Obama Signs Bill to Increase Militarization of US-Mexico Border
    https://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/19/obama_signs_600m_bill_to_increase
     
  6. Michaela Joy

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    @Katzenfreund: What we're seeing is a deadly combination of hypocracy, stupidity, and selective Alzheimers.
     
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  7. Joe C

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    I do not doubt that there is a bias against Trump, From the first day when Trump snubbed the media by not letting them share the traditional election dinner with them, to accusing the media openly by being biased towards the liberal left. That gives feed for the media bias even more than before, and then we have an angry liberal left in general that can not accept the fact that Hillary is not the POTUS
     
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  8. gorski

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    Trump started it way before any such instances, together with many a conservative...

    Mind, the left (as well as perceived left) who got the same ride, used the same language...

    In the second instance, esp. with Bernie, it was simply vile propaganda of the media owners.

    In the first instance, before he showed his cards (seriously pro-corporations/capital) it was pretty justified.

    Now, media "bias" towards Trump simply is not there - they have so much guano on him they do not need to do anything but report facts.

    And if somebody doesn't see it - condolences...
     
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  9. Joe C

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    If Trump wipes his butt with his right hand instead of his left, you can bet the media will criticize him for it. Does Trump deserve the type of criticism from the media? Most likely so because he's done a lot to piss them off and they're going to make sure he knows it
     
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  10. Katzenfreund

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    It seems Trump can hold his own against the press. He can selectively exclude from press conferences any media he doesn’t like, which damages their reporting abilityt and reduces public demand for them.

    This may seem undemocratic discrimination, but I suppose he may be somehow justified in discriminating against those that discriminate against them.

    Something similar happened where I live between the press and the police. The former were using every opportunity to defame the latter, so the police stopped feeding them with news stories. In the end they had to turn down their tone.
     
  11. Joe C

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    It can be very dangerous for the govt to attempt media control, in the U.S. I feel that most citizens do value a free press very highly but at the same time, we also value an accuracy for reporting of the free press too
     
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  12. gorski

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    Ermmm, how do you know which hand he uses for such intensely intimate affairs, Joe? :rolleyes: :D

    My point, seriously speaking, would be that the media is seriously screwed towards those who own them - and Trump is one of the corporate class, as we can see from the cabinet he established - worse still, from whom he wanted to appoint and couldn't because of screaming conflict of interest, lying, scheming etc. etc.!

    This "show" is pretty ridiculous, all in all...
     
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  13. Joe C

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    I heard it from the media!
     
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    #434 gorski, Mar 12, 2017
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    Heh, it sounds more like you're "hearing voices"... :D

    Something delusional like this, maybe:

     
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  15. Joe C

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  16. gorski

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    One day you - guys defending Trump now - will all wake up with a huge headache and then...

    Well, I bet everybody else will be to be blame...
     
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  17. Joe C

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    Well I do have to admit that blaming everybody else would be true to the Trump style
     
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  18. Katzenfreund

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    Blaming others is neither new, nor uncommon, in fact that’s what others are there for in this world. After all, to err is human and to blame others even more so.

    Continuing from my previous post on Trump vs The Press, freedom of the press is certainly essential part of democracy and keeps politicians on their toes. But too much power for the press is equally undesirable, as it can misinform, destroy people and try to dictate who will be elected.

    So a balance of power is a kind of optimum situation, where the government also has weapons, and in the end the press are free to say what they like, but if they tell lies, they are accountable.
     
  19. Michaela Joy

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    There's not a single country in the world where the government doesn't have control over what the press can and can not say. Especially in times of war.

    The USA is no different. Unfortunately, what's happened is an agenda has reared its' ugly head; and that is globalism.

    We are not, nor will we allow ourselves to become a borderless country.

    And that's why Trump won. Because He did not advocate Globalism. Plain and simple. The people do not want open borders. Especially if it means loss of jobs. They'd rather pay more for exports and allow the Capitalists do what they do best. Regardless of the outcome.

    So, for those who envision socialism and globalism taking hold in America, forget it. The people have spoken.
    The ones who are squealing the loudest are the ones whose agenda has been thwarted.

    That's always been a given. The loser complains the most.

    From my standpoint, it is what it is. I'll survive.
    It's what I do. It's what we all do. We manage to make it and survive.

    Time for popcorn, as I sit back and watch the show.
     
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  20. gorski

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...more-top-stories_tugriver826pm:homepage/story

    [h=1]In a place of need, an unhealthy contradiction[/h]
    They are poor, sick and voted for Trump. What will happen to them without Obamacare?
    Says Bernie:

     
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