Energy problem solved!!!???!!!

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  1. JFKI

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    #101 JFKI, Feb 4, 2017
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    They?

    :eek:

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    All 82,801,633 of them ?

    Oh Noes. :rolleyes:
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    Anyway my point is this.
    What started out as a relatively small protest by Iranian students over "voter fraud" caused a member of their Basij ( army ) to shoot and kill an innocent bystander, Neda Agha Soltan and sparked a major PEACEFUL revolution.

    Neda's last moments:
    The result: Phuk it, not picking just one or two

    Do you really think Ihmadinnerjacket is going to repeat his old mistakes so his people turn against him again ?

    Or better still are YOU willing to kill all of these individuals ?

    P.S. This never happened either. http://www.novinite.com/articles/100794/Iranian President Demands Apology from Obama for US Crimes
     
  2. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    :eek:Which state will use it against THE state with so many of those missiles to obliterate everything from the face of the planet?:g:FFS!!!!:rolleyes:
     
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  3. JFKI

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    #103 JFKI, Feb 4, 2017
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    The one named after the three gods?
    Oh wait, they just manipulate the others to do the dirty work for them.

    Good question.
     
  4. Joe C

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    #104 Joe C, Feb 5, 2017
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    oh forchristssake, stop being so pc about the use of my word "they" Anybody with the slightest sense would know I do not mean the people of Iran, their religion or race. I am referring the govt. and those making the decision to make missiles and nukes
     
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  5. JFKI

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    #105 JFKI, Feb 5, 2017
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    Then choose your words more carefully.
    Those words do have meaning and that is how misunderstandings begin. ;)

    What I mean is look at Trumps choice of words... Continuously. :doh:
     
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  7. Michaela Joy

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    #107 Michaela Joy, Feb 5, 2017
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    Back on Topic!

    Take a look at this video, and water.



    Fascinating stuff. :thumbsup:
     
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  8. JFKI

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    The mentally ill ? Of course.

    What other type of person would attack a group of armed soldiers with a machete ?

    :g: The article says he is Egyptian, which is a bit too far away.
    ( Eastern Jordan, South Eastern Syria, and Northern Saudi Arabia on the other hand... :dunno: )
    I wonder if he spent any great length of time in Iraq as a child. He IS only 29 after all.
    If so he could have been affected by OUR Depleted Uranium....
    Or perhaps we ( as in our ally the French army ) killed his family members at some point.
     
  9. CHEF-KOCH

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    #109 CHEF-KOCH, Feb 5, 2017
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    I stole your energy, sr for that but my Titan is hungry :tasty: ... :eek:


    /PS: Maybe we can close this thread .. already died 4 pages ago and it seems solved. :sneaky: :g:
     
  10. PCBONEZ

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    #110 PCBONEZ, Feb 8, 2017
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    Four are under construction. Completion dates are in 2019 and 2020.

    About 560 more and the grid can be off fossil fuels.
    (Provided there is no growth in power demands between now and completion.)
     
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  11. monkeylove

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    Unfortunately, oil is needed to manufacture electric cars, solar panels, and most goods as it is part of mining, manufacturing, shipping, and even mechanized agriculture. Worse, the transport systems needed to deliver these goodies, not to mention infrastructure (roads, grid systems, etc.) require extensive oil inputs.

    On top of all of these, electric cars and solar powers have low energy returns.
     
  12. PCBONEZ

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    #112 PCBONEZ, Feb 11, 2017
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    Explain yourself.
    Returns on what? Money? Energy? Resources?
     
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  13. PCBONEZ

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    #113 PCBONEZ, Feb 11, 2017
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    Electric cars as a green solution are pointless without a fossil free power source for the grid.

    Without that all you are doing is MOVING the carbon footprint. (From the car to the grid.)
    You are not making it smaller.
    You may be making it bigger due to the greater number of energy conversions and the stack-up of efficiency losses.
     
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  14. gorski

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    Crude oil is not the only source for carbon based polymers...

    Be that as it may, we can and are coming with alternative solutions.
     
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  15. PCBONEZ

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    #115 PCBONEZ, Feb 11, 2017
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    No one said otherwise as far as I know.
    The grid over here is mostly on coal.

    Insofar as technology, sure. Have had for a while.
    Insofar as feasible economically, not so much. That's part of why it's so slow.
    Insofar as something with the capacity to put a dent in the problem, not so much.

    The US would need (approximately) 560,000 Gigawatt more capacity to get the grid off fossil fuels.
    Solar/wind power plants in the Megawatt ranges aren't even large enough to be full drops in the bucket.
     
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  16. gorski

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    You mean with the tech we have right now?

    You're wrong. Ask Germans.
     
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  17. PCBONEZ

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    #117 PCBONEZ, Feb 11, 2017
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    Let us review:

    You said : "we can and are coming with alternative solutions."

    I said : "Insofar as technology, sure. Have had for a while." - Which is me agreeing with you.

    You said: "You're wrong. Ask Germans." - Which is you disagreeing with me agreeing with you so by proxy you are disagreeing with yourself.

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    And back to what all agreeing and disagreeing was about.

    Technologies for fossil free energy production have been around for quite some time and they've been looking for new ones for as long as I can remember. (How do you think nuclear came about?)
    If these Germans aren't aware of it, that's their problem.
     
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  18. gorski

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    No, we did not have those technologies until very recently, capable of storing loads of electricity, on a level of a big country, like Germany, which at some point managed to get to a very huge % of it's electricity use being from renewables.

    To my knowledge, only the Germans have done it so far, amongst the large countries. Prove me wrong!
     
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  19. PCBONEZ

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    Perhaps if you use descriptions more specific than "alternative solutions" and "those technologies" someone other than you will know what you are talking about.
     
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  20. bloodstone

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    i'm still hoping for some kind of solar satelites that concentrate sunbeams down to earth or something. but i fear we might have messed that up with all the debris we left around our planet