Enterprise customers with new CPUs will require Windows 10

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Garbellano, Jan 16, 2016.

  1. SOCRATE_MMXII

    SOCRATE_MMXII MDL Expert

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    I don't know if the cow is holy or not and I could care less, but M$ stated it will provide CRITICAL UPDATES to Windows 7 until 2020. To me, CRITICAL means that if my CPU breaks down in 2019, I should be able to use Windows 7 SP1 with that CPU, not being forced to "upgrade" to Windows 10 revision 13123q212313123123123231231212fbs211231231231ffvfw342131.
     
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  2. nodnar

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    no, not that dense, nosense. i wondered about nadella inventing the wheel, given that he was giving away windose, and pushing aggressively, to get a market share.i wondered where his profit was, i saw none, his strategy could only anger paying customers.and i guessed that they were really desperate.but i still saw no profit.and there is none to be had. that i can see. i have seen brand new pcs arriving by the palletload. all OEM machines,if you get an order of say, 1000 pcs, you can afford to hire an ict guy to get them all booting.
     
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  3. nosense

    nosense MDL Senior Member

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    .....Face palm, Seriously read zdnet article.
     
  4. Daz

    Daz MDL Developer / Admin
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    I've changed the title as the original was misleading.

    If you're an enterprise customer and you buy a PC that contains a new CPU then you need to install Windows 10 onto it. If you don't then you'll only receive 18 months worth of support from Microsoft until you do upgrade.
     
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  5. ThomasMann

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    You have misunderstood my post completely, you need to take into account which question I was responding to. Everything you write is correct, I totally agree with it. Where we differ is this: "The people who buy their new Skylake-based PC at Walmart or Best Buy may want to "downgrade" to Windows 7, and they can, yet they're going to be precluded from receiving anything but critical security updates."

    I can only consider this a lesson to the people, who refuse to see M$ for what it is...
    It may be an expensive lesson, which occasionally happens on life to everybody.

    But is it nothing compared to the problem M$ has. They are getting a huge problem with their cash flow.
    The numbers form 2015 show clearly that PC sales are down enormously also tablets. Yet, the masses of employees need to be paid and their is no turn around of the market anywhere in sight. Quite the opposite, everyone can already foretell that next years numbers will be no better.

    The market for faster CPUs and for new "improved" OSs is shrinking rapidly.
    Unless you are intense gamer, where is the need for an improvement of Win7?
    Where is the need for anything faster than a i5 or maybe an i7?
    Put an SSD in your machine and what else will you need? Support?
    Do you have any idea how many people and companies still use XP without any problem?

    "Also, don't be surprised if MS starts dropping Windows 7 support for older generation processors next."
    Why should that be a problem?
     
  6. ThomasMann

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    No, stupid people have always been next...

    I am an old man, I admit. But with the help of websites like MDL I have learned to have a computer built to my needs and install whatever OS I want on it.
    If you are a consuming idiot who needs the latest model, because otherwise your damaged ego acts up. All right, then be the fool, companies like M$ cannot exist without your kind.

    The problem is a lot larger than is obvious right now. Look at Mozilla and Firefox. How many people are employed to keep on "improving" Firefox? And how many people are getting p***ed off every time another "improved" version turns up?
    The whole IT market is reaching its limit.
    When was the last time you found something that could actually be considered real progress and something that was actual new and great?
     
  7. pirithous

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    #68 pirithous, Jan 19, 2016
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    You read my sentence wrong: "MS are instituting artificial limitations on processors that will run virtualized Windows 3.1 just fine, but that won't run Windows 7 or 8, just 10."

    What this means is instituting artificial software limitations which run on processors that run previous versions of Windows just fine. As to your other psychobabble, I have a lot better things to do than refute every one of your ill-thought out points, all coming from an obvious Microsoft shill. I'm glad though, you took so much time picking apart my post and responding to things out of context (not that I really even bothered reading more than the first sentence of your post).
     
  8. lobo11

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    You could have tried at least one. :(

    That's disappointing. You're spending time writing huge walls of text but can't be bothered to read a few sentences?

    There's no reason it should. It's much more likely to fail due to unpatched flaws in the software; insufficient defense mechanisms against current methods of attack; vulnerabilities if it's networked; or due to hardware incompatibility if a component needs to be replaced.
     
  11. lobo11

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    I did not say I agree with what is said, I'm just a messenger, lol:D
     
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  12. draken

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    Obviously I wasn't criticizing you but the article you linked to.

    Completely biased article, backed up by our loved MS.
     
  13. Hackeur

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    The article is only about support for Enterprise customers, I don't think that any future Intel CPU could be locked exclusively to run current and future versions of Windows 10!
    Imagine graphic cards and associated peripheral manufacturers uprising if it was actually true not to mention a very large market of PC enthusiasts who spend big $$$!
     
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    #76 pirithous, Jan 20, 2016
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    #80 pirithous, Jan 20, 2016
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    No I didn't, you just assumed without asking.

    Well good for you. You're entitled to your opinion. Lots of security professionals in the InfoSec community have stated their concern about Windows 10, and many people are stating Windows 10 is NSA's dream come true. Imagine a cluster of MS's servers getting hacked by NSA, or NSA finding a vulnerability in the proprietary encryption so they can eavesdrop on your browser history, synced files, and usage information about how you use your computer and when. MS's encryption is not known to be secure as the code cannot be vetted.

    And you think the source code that the customer is seeing is what will be in the resulting binary? Hahaha!

    Oh really, which open source project? Why don't you name some? Where are your references? Post some links, rather than pulling "facts" out of thin air. NSA tips MS off about unpatched vulnerabilities years in advance so Windows machines are easily exploited so FBI and NSA can own any machine on a whim. MS tries to spin it as "oh look as us, we're so good...we give this information to NSA to prepare everybody for this patch", but it's a load of crap. Anyway, I think we're done here, this back and forth has been pretty boring.