Why lack of water and drought due to climate change can mean serious consequence when it comes to policy. http://www.iatp.org/documents/corporatizing-water-india%E2%80%99s-draft-national-water-policy
well, sorry if i trod on something here, redroad. i was merely trying to separate the original issue from the pollution issue, because to me they are two seperate things..
I am seeing the issue of pollution and climate change from the perspective where the planet is a body like our own human body. So for example in the case of heavy metal toxicity in the human body where the human body has very little it can do by itself to overcome certain levels of heavy metal death is certain.. Given that the accumulative effect of heavy metal in the human body is often times irreversible when a certain toxicity level is reached. It then would be wise for us to inform ourselves in order to eliminate what we can where we can in order to protect ourselves.. My mind sees the planet in the same manner where certain toxins on a global level have the same potential to irreversibly change the planet as we know it.. Using the heavy metal example there are certain levels of mercury which are man made and others which are naturally occurring but the combination of the two at certain levels is deadly at the human body level when the toxicity threshold is reached.. When looking at the pollution issue with regards to climate change my mind sees naturally occurring sources and man made and the very real possibility of thresholds being crossed where any adaptive measures we may take would be for not because we failed to enter into an awareness of problem solving early enough or even finding common agreement that it is in our best interest to do so.. I would like to point out that there is a certain portion of the global population that engage in this discussion that have no other motive than to discover what is for the good of all and the well being of the next seven generations..
His assumptions are based on us being able to actually change the future by acting right now using cash and implementing huge changes to lifestyle and production. No one knows if that is guaranteed to work. If Global Warming is something external to man's influence, which is what I agree with, then there is nothing you can do ! Your best bet to plan for the future would not be to move from an suv to an electric car, but to start moving coastal cities more inland, producing more food in areas we know that will stay arable for a long time and storing food and water. Our health systems are in cities so if the cities are safe then the systems will be there for use. Is that being done, no!
People always said to me that Global Warming makes the temperature go up and we are being pretty much baked by the heavy shining sun.. But to be honest, everything I have seen of this in the past 3 years is that the Summer in Netherland is now full of rain and normal weather temperature like it's Spring or Fall.. While 5 years ago I remember sunny days of hot temperatures. So for me is it now like this; "Global Warming, what's that? I do know Global Raining.. >_<"
I totally get for you there is no cause for concern and you concern yourself primarily with the final release of W8 However these are the facts in other places should you be interested..
Sure a thing I'm looking out for but there is higher priority for me and that is to found someone to love but that will happen some moment and I got the patient. Also did I sure noticed that June had days that was warmer then the year before, it was not being much but didn't went unnoticed. I also think that here in Netherland the weather is more rainy because of the Global Warming, all the sea water evaporated and goes down on our heads. It's also for sure more heavy rainfall or thunderstorms then we had normal long ago.
I would argue that "his assumptions" are grounded in people making their own case for their own arguments rather then relying on spoon fed talking points that have more to do with maintaining inaction resulting in grid lock and the comfortable Status Quo rather than the work required to establish ones point of view based on the best and currently available facts. This paralysis is further perpetuated by statements like yours "us being able to actually change the future by acting right now using cash and implementing huge changes to lifestyle and production. No one knows if that is guaranteed to work".. Such statements justify inaction and apathy in the minds of many merely because the size and complexity of the issue as you've presented it. When there are certainly many plausible variations of action that would bring significant change in the right direction. He openly admits that one of the possible outcomes to attempting to curtail the effects of global warming through human actions might not have the desired outcome but points out inaction has even more dire and irreversible consequences then a failed attempt. Your point on health systems is well taken
His arguments are based on "spoon fed" info. As I said it all depends on if you do something will the changes reverse. That has been Al Gore's nonsensical conclusion, you cut down on carbon emissions and the trends will reverse. That has been proven wrong, look at the full carbon graph on the first post in this thread. Common sense will tell you that if you have been screwing up something for many years, it will not get fixed immediately it will get worse before better.
Your reaching Sir Whether you are talking Al Gore or "good" fossil fuels "clean coal" they are spoon fed arguments.. I have looked at the graph and many others and at the end of the day my personal conclusion at this date is that it is not premature to look into possible solutions given the ramifications of inaction.. I also am not shy in calling out base less claims that undermine the solving of real problems and or people's concerted sincere efforts to resolve them ..
Yes ramifications, just like the Greenhouse gas nonsense they were pushing around when I was going to school. I remember people came to my school and gave a lecture on how using aerosol sprays and what not would destroy the ozone layer and fry us all. Well it's been about 18 years now and we aren't fried yet, apparently they were talking crap just like they are now! Go right ahead and fix, drop your SUV and pick up a new Electric car which you might not know will cause you to have a larger carbon footprint, due to production, than all the gas you would burn in the lifetime of the SUV. In any case carbon dioxide as a pollutant is just a silly argument. When they find the real cause of Global Warming then you can have a shot at fixing it.
Actually this fixing the Global Warming issue came to my mind last night during an episode of House. You try fixing what you're unsure about if it means nearly killing the patient, you will eventually get it right. I know one thing, I would not want House as my doctor.
I am not presenting some extremist point of view rather one where I have taken the time to inform myself with current unbiased sources and constant observation of my environment aided by a depth of oral contributions from elders who have lived longer than I.. Given the long tradition of empty justifications and indefensible positions that I have encountered from many I am able to say without a doubt you have no intention of entering into a worthy discussion of the problem at hand but rather wish to emerge as the contrarian bringing little but inflated distractions to the discussion.. Like I told nodnar on this subject " If you need me to continue to point out the places where we agree, I can but that becomes rather tedious and is frankly wasting my time So buck up old fella and let's work on the solutions .. " What came to my mind is that everyone who is part of the problem remain asleep (which they already are in one sense) ,they would use less resources, so those who want to actively solve the problems of our time have an opportunity to do so.. Ramifications : http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...ord-heat-a-one-in-16-million-event/?mobile=nc Source : http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2149 Image of the air pollution over China (Image courtesy of NASA)
I'm interested to hear what your solutions are on the issue. Let's say the sea will rise 30 feet over the next 50 years and the ocean currents change so that the normal current stops heating Europe and causes a mini Ice Age over there. In the US the Central US becomes arid and people move to the coasts. The coasts get constantly hit by mega storms. This is all stuff that is projected as damage from Global Warming, whether we change our habits now or not. What exactly are you going to do about it starting today?
So let me get this right, in order to distract, you jump immediately to those positions you have already stated as being extreme and ask me to defend them nice try.. I have stated consistently that the fringe positions of either side are distractions from plausible solutions.. Here is an example of an action I took in the last few days This is an example of how NASCAR has decided to hitch it's wagon through using it's "Brand" to influence low information voters in our country to join the voice of corporate agriculture by association.. Needless to say I no longer support Nascar in any way and choose to boycott any sponsors or those who advertise there on their broadcasts..
Earth to redroad wake up, those are things that have been proposed as repercussions of Global Warming, not things I made up. Apparently you just want to post for posts sake, maybe that's why Nodnar got fed up with you.
Look what I said " I have stated consistently that the fringe positions of either side are distractions from plausible solutions" and furthermore I said nothing of you making them up but they represent an extreme position is my only point and you clearly use it in a way that diverts any serious dialogue that would allow practical solutions to emerge from it.. As far as my connection to the earth I have a deep rooted and ongoing relationship with her and feel the sadness that emerges from the ongoing mistreatment of her by some humans. Now whether nodnar is fed up with me or not you will have to ask him.. You are flailing with wedge issues.. I ask that you bring some civility and substance to the discussion so we can all become more informed.. That is one of the purposes of this thread I hope if not I am prepared to move on.. With regards to If you don't have the inclination or desire to read links I provide or not interested in my point of view don't click or read.. It's that simple .. as to whether they are relevant to the discussion I thought that was cleared up here http://forums.mydigitallife.net/thr...-opinion/page5?p=595176&viewfull=1#post595176
Plausible solutions to what, since what I posted is abhorrent to you ? From your links apparently you are fixing air pollution!
Really man where in the slightest did I suggest your posts are even remotely abhorrent .. As far as my links if you want to discuss let's at least address them one at a time, which we certainly could have before, and their relationship to the bigger picture of climate change .. This is just an exercise in who's right.. Personally I am not interested in such an exercise and wish we were on something more substantive and informative .. Have a good weekend