Global Warming: Your opinion ....

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Is Global Warming man made or a natural cycle ?

  1. Yes, it is man made

  2. Undecided

  3. No, I think there is another reason for it

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  1. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Democrats are anything but leftist. USA lacks a real solid party on the left side. USA are still the Mccarthy country even in 2022, maybe you need another 200 years to evolve and have a balanced parliament.

    And sadly that is what's happening in many other Western countries.

    Being left from the fascists and populists doesn't mean anything.
     
  2. murphy78

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    The point is that there is no clean energy. They all produce waste and you know this. Nuclear produces the least amount of waste. Don't tell me that you don't know about how nuclear fuel rod disposal either.
    As far as potatoes, yes there is waste, this is why the WEF and many lunatic western governments around the world are trying to shut down farmers from using certain chemicals because they're upset at the nitrogen runoff or some such.
    Recycling is often a myth. It rarely happens in reality because it's often more cost effective to create a new wind turbine from China than to break down the dilapidated rusty broken mess and strip out the appropriate metals. At the end of the day, recycling companies have to make a profit to stay afloat.
     
  3. murphy78

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    That is just foolish. What are they, right wing libertarians who believe in small government? Of course they are leftists. Just because you don't believe in how they go about it, doesn't mean they aren't leftists.
     
  4. murphy78

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    You really are a gaslighting fool.
    Yes Krugman is a leftist. He is nothing but a Democrat propagandist. He defends any leftist policy they throw at the wall and puts his name out there and talks about how it will be the best thing in the world. He's always wrong, but that doesn't stop him.
    Yes Democrats have been holding many of the Jan6 rioters without trial for over a year and a half even though this violates their sixth amendment rights. I didn't mention the only injustices committed by the big bloated left-wing government we have in America. We'd be here all day if I did that. There are some whistleblowers like Snowden and Assange that I'd like to see pardoned and freed. It should never be a crime to show the public what crimes your government has been doing. Also, racism? LOL against what race? typical leftist response. "If you don't agree with me, you're racist."
     
  5. MS_User

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    #1845 MS_User, Aug 15, 2022
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    easy there snake plissken you sound like your part of this cult;)

    ***Sorry, although this picture was funny it's not conform to the rules***
     
  6. murphy78

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    The only cult I'm in is the pro-freedom cult. It used to be that every American was in it, but since the left has taken over in America, they've been trying to destroy the idea that freedom was a good thing and that having government's boot on your neck was a good thing. Then you have fools like ancoms who are promoting the same big government policies but think they are going against big government at the same time. They are the most annoying cultists.
     
  7. MS_User

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    this world if f**k up no one can fix it.....live your life and be happy the rest is all s**t.
     
  8. acer-5100

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    They are a center party, which has little to do with socialism, communism and even socialdemocrats parties around the world.

    The stupid system that in analogue world use a binary split in just two parties lead to those distortions, in the best case you have the parliament split in center-left/center-right, but USA are not in the best case.

    Your freedom ends when it hurts the freedom of someone else.

    It's a basic principle of any civilized society.

    When freedom means, freedom to rape the planed, freedom to buy assault weapons, no question asked, freedom to enslave workers, and so on, is not freedom its jungle law.
     
  9. murphy78

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    First off, no. Democrats are socialist. Nearly every piece of legislation they pass is socialist. You would have to try extremely hard to find a bill that they pass that didn't help left-wingers either with money or power in some way.
    The fact that they opt to do this with taxes rather than straight up removing property rights doesn't make them any less socialist. They are still stealing people's property and redistributing it. Not once have I claimed that Republicans are innocent in this behavior. I would claim that they are LESS socialist, but I would never claim that they are not socialist at all. They love to spend tons of money on pointless military spending and big bloated government almost as much as Democrats. But consider the difference in spending. Republicans always seem to cut spending and cut taxes. Democrats always seem to raise taxes and raise spending. It's obvious that the Democrats are far more socialist in that aspect.

    You are right to feel frustrated and think that this approach doesn't work. Socialism never does. It wouldn't matter if you taxed everyone 100%, you could never bring about your socialist utopia. You could make every business into a co-op. All that would happen is that all production would cease. All risk taking would stop. Nobody would be an entrepreneur. The state would have to make everything and increase military force against its own citizens to keep everyone in line. You would need to run gulags against a large proportion of your own citizens to keep production high enough to keep the country going. The problem is motivation. As soon as you kill the motivation, everything grinds to a halt.
     
  10. acer-5100

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    Frankly I suggest you to travel, visit normal nations, visit poor nations, visit even former eastern block countries, do it by yourself not in an organized way.

    I'm afraid that until you stay on your cocoon, you'll never have a correct vision.

    P.S. my sister works in a Coop that is for Italy what Wallmart is for US. It's national leader although the fierce competition from private corporations, and it makes money, a lot of money, while their workers-affiliates earns more and have more rights than the equivalent workers in a private chain.

    This is the world. It's not like the rightist propaganda you believe "no question asked", the world is a complex place, try to understand it better.
     
  11. murphy78

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    >poor nations
    >Socialism totally works
    Pick one
     
  12. acer-5100

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    You are hopeless... :D
     
  13. murphy78

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    What is the point of socialism if not redistribute wealth? If there is no wealth, everyone is equally miserable. Is this what you want? Is this happiness to you? Mind that you can't remove inequality no matter what you do. If you implement socialist policies, some socialist dictator will still live in a palace. The wealth will just be in the hands of the politicians rather than the business owners. They will use the government to protect them instead of the business owners. Everyone else will just be poorer. This is how socialism plays out every time it is tried.
     
  14. acer-5100

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    You are mixing up, the ideal of socialism with the necessary corrections to this rotten form of capitalism. There is a relation but they aren't the same thing.

    Indeed if you talk of socialism there is noting to redistribute from the beginning, if ultrarich and poors are not existent.

    On the other hand if we talk about the actual practical scenario, there is a damn need to redistribute wealth across classes (and across nations)

    I want a fairer world, because is the right thing to do, and also because unbalances in wellness always creates war, riots, terrorism . (yep, idealism and pragmatism aren't mutually exclusive)

    You mean like Trump, like the dozens fascist puppets that the US helped to put in charge in large part of central and south America in the last century?

    My friend, a socialist dictator is an oxymoron, a dictator is a fascist "by design", no matter how you label him or how he labels himself.

    You know this is a lie. Every time socialism was tried the US, the UK and all strong capitalism supporters used all of their energy with a single scope of make them fail.

    Not exactly a scientific way to evaluate the matter.

    Nevertheless, nations where there is a dose of socialism are way better places to live, than US by most metrics. (obviously unless you are an an oligarch, like Bezos or Musk)
     
  15. murphy78

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    So you admit that you'd rather everyone be starving and miserable than there be wealth and inequality. Amazing. Me, personally, I'm not so bothered by the occasional rich person that I would rather destroy the entire country. It's pretty funny that you leftists keep bringing up Trump as if I'm supposed to worship that liberal or something just because he wanted to build a wall and argued with fake news. I don't worship people. I'm sorry to disappoint you. I also don't worship ideology. The only principle I put above all is freedom to not have government oppressing me.

    Socialism requires force to implement. You will always have a dictator at the top of that hierarchy of power because it's impossible to get anything done without hierarchies. Armies need orders and leadership. There will never come a point in time where a significantly large population that implements socialism will not be led by a dictator. They always pretend like they have open and fair elections even when they don't. The USSR, North Korea, and China all did/do this. As far as the claim that the US/UK sabotage them, how exactly can they do that? Refuse to trade with them? Refuse to trade with anyone who does trade with them? Why should that affect them if they are socialist and not capitalist?
     
  16. acer-5100

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    I rather admit that I think you have hard time in reading plain sentences.

    That's up to you, but don't ask me to agree

    Like I said Trump is just a bad clone of Berlusconi 20 years later. When you in the US had no idea of the damage that Trump could do, we had a precise idea because we tested Berlusconi since '94 on our skin.

    Just matter of experience
    Just buy a desert island then and move there. But if you want to live next to other human beings you need to follow the rules of a civil coexistence.

    Are you serious?
     
  17. murphy78

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    #1857 murphy78, Aug 16, 2022
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    Again I don't give a damn about Trump or Berlusconi. I don't worship people, especially politicians. All high level politicians are sociopaths. When they claim to want to help people or save the environment, what they are really doing is trying to get power. Their words are a means to that end. They don't care about you, me, or the environment. Nobody really does. If all of the people who claimed to care about the environment planted a few trees the problem would long be solved. They don't because they're full of crap and they really just want to control people and implement their politics.

    Yes I'm serious on the socialist sabotage thing. So the CIA may hand out leaflets or foment change or whatever. How is that any different from communist countries doing the same thing in capitalist countries?
     
  18. acer-5100

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    Too bad in English there isn't a word for the Italian "qualunquismo". But ^^^ sentence is a bright example of it.

    All politicians are equal, they are all pigs, they are all corrupt and so on.

    Which is debatable to say the best, but becomes really funny when you figure the rule that follows:

    Assume you read that Trump/Berlusconi/Bolsonaro/whatever was incriminated.

    When you ask for a comment, ALWAYS, who comments like ^^^ is someone who voted for the right wing.

    A strange phenomena isn't it? :rolleyes:

    If we were talking about religions would you ask if a Missionary is different from a devil cult evangelist?
     
  19. murphy78

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    How is a missionary any different from a socialist? They're both religious. They both believe in utopian nonsense and a god. The only difference is that a socialist's god is the state while a missionary's god is an invisible sky guy.
     
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    I really didn't want to add any more oil to this idiotic flame but I must just point out to this, given Smurf "thinks" he is "not racist"... :rolleyes: You're a racist pig, Smurf! Just like Mr. X! All of you, as far as I am concerned, are the worst of humanity!!!
     
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