MS would most likely only pull WAT on a temporary basis, if that. MS will do whatever it takes to protect its property same as you or I would protect our property if we knew someone was taking it. For anyone to think that MS is not aware of goes on, on the Internet concerning its software, is living in a cave. We have made MS a multi-billion dollar corporation. Making this site for paid members only will not keep them from paying whatever it takes to find out what is going on on this site. With the exception of the OS Windows 7, I do not install anything MS. They can piggyback WAT on any of their other software offers such as Defender or MSE.
As of now at least in India, on fresh install, KB971033 is shown in important updates but not ticked. That means you have to select (tick it) to install. So really in India at least, that update should not be accidentally installed.
The symptoms of bios mods are detected, they may not be able to spot whether it is a mod or a loader but what it does see is mismatches certs, slic and keys. Also what it plainly visible in every report is all of the OEM/manufacturer information regarding SLIC, ACPI, model, manufacturer name, motherboard model, bios version and bios date. They will, whenever they decide that they have it refined enough be able to enforce validation on all of these mismatches and inconsistencies. I do not believe that a single bios mod has been flagged yet, I think that is the toughest for them to avoid false positives on. I think the positives you see are due to bad keys, improper installation of keys and certs, use of activation hacks that have been flagged. In the long run the only way to beat WAT will be to lie convincingly enough that all of these inconsistencies will be hidden. You won't be able to mod a bios made in 2007 or 8 and have it work if you can't fool WAT into thinking it was made in 2009 or later (just one example). EDIT: I think that MODS and loaders are the only way to go if they can lie convincingly enough to mask inconsistent information (sorry Hazar). Anything that messes with system files will always be caught out in the next update, remove wat will work as long as Hazar is willing to update it and support it and as long as the users update it. I believe that the day of the preactivated windows installation disk is dead (probably a good thing), don't do it, don't use it, they will be flagged with the next update.
I just tried the same thing, no update for me. Must be available in India where you are at but not here in the US. I then went to the online validation and it reinstalled so I deleted both scheduled tasks again.
That could be true. On this weekend, I spent 3-4 hours on 3-4 installs (including the present one that I hope will be the last time). On Friday night in India, I used 1 unactivated image from here+loader. Result was activated. However, due to a botch up and some lack of sleep, at 1230pm did again this time with a preac. iso. That iso is from one of the most downloaded and verified files, and have used it and also seen it used many times. However, when install was completed, MS recognised it as fake and asked me to resolve it. I always do installs as clean (formating c: and system reserved partition). Finally at 130 am on Sat. morn (8pm friday gmt), used the repository file again, clean installed, formated, installed+latest daz loader. No problems here. So perhaps the preactivated versions may be liable to be detected. No one says under what circumstances. Such images are installed on literally most of the pirated versions installed in India (by hardware vendors), and very few people know about kb971033. They may install that update or even without installing it, they may suddenly find their copy identified as fake. However, as of now, loaders (in my case latest daz) are still doing what we want. Plus, kb971033 does not install automatically and is not even ticked (even though it is listed).
@ Brainsuck, the amount of people on these forums that request mods i,e not 1 or two but LOTS you know they are in small businesses or individuals doing it for money.
I have a feeling that a lot of people who have done this will have angry mobs with pitchforks and torches at their doors in the near future. That is why nothing that is done here should be done for profit but some people never learn the easy way.
That is why all of our tools and the mod procedures are "proof of concept". They were never, and are not, meant to provide nefarious retailers with the means to circumvent the system. More of a personal triumph than anything. I would hope that most of the information is used to enhance ones knowledge and just enlighten...I am, however, not ignorant enough to believe this is true. If someone is using these techniques for business practices, then they deserve what they get. The downside is that they make it harder for the individual just playing around. I have no desire to move to Windows 7 in the near future...but the game is fun...LOL
+1 i see this alot ! People selling "Pre-Activated" Windows 7 for profit .. I have said this in the past .. Warez is about Sharing not Profit.. it annoys me so much to see this .. I have no sympathy for those kind of people and wouldn't bother me a bit to see them get busted & locked up ..
I agree 100% too. That is just wrong trying to sell copies. Especially copies that uses someone else's hard work getting it cracked that does not belong to the person selling it. Like awhile back when some dumb@@$ decides to try to sell a copy of windows 7 ultimate with Hazar's 7loader on EBAY with the 7loader known as a crack(F$#KING Idiot!)
Yeah it's the poor people that have bought a machine , example from years ago used to work in m8's computer shop building machines preinstalling OS e.c.t a while back. Come christmas new shop opened up in the top of the town cheap prices great peeps think get there machines withing two weeks the new shop was shut nowhere to be seen. few months later we get all the people saying there system is not valid not one persion with an XP cd or OEM COA. vlk keys generated by the famous xp keygen. Then comes the stinger what it cost for oem version of xp.
I think BIOS Mods will be safe in the longrun. As WAT reads all this information off the registry, IF M$ gets game enough to try to make non-genuine say old motherboards, how easy is it just to amend the registry entries to a combination that will always pass WAT. To me just make sure in future your in your Bios Mod your Certs and keys all match, and if you do that you will be safe. After all, if you have to you can go into the registry and adjust the motherboard to match if you really need to.