I think what happened here is I called you on your false statements and you don't like it, plus I add amusement since you never debate one point any spiritual person makes here, you just diss them for being different than your partial science can validate. And honestly you didn't like getting called on your unfounded statements so you try to make people feel bad so you can rule with no original ideas and apparently no debating skills as well. Everyone truly knows that schooling is only the first part of educating one's lives, the real education happens when you compare your education or information with the real world and the world is complete unlike the science you follow blindly so your partial information in relation to a complete world causes a feedback and rather than attune to a greater complete knowledge, in embarrassment, you lash out at those who can define your understandings as temporary and partial That is what you have isn't it? Partial science which always requires an update cause it's not as sacred or in sync with what it want's to know Then the Shaman can see and know without any machine the connectedness of the cosmos which again your science can't do, so your constantly jealous and angry cause what is suppose to boost your ego called modern partial science and you feel the feedback that you don't really have any information at all if it's not a complete system of belief or proof just theories and splitting atoms for fun, or to kill people So don't be angry at the Shaman or project what enlightenment is when your science has no idea what enlightenment is, just sit down and relax and be happy with what is partial for that's all you'll ever have to donate to this thread Do you have an original idea? Of course not and that is ok but don't limit others to knowing more than your partial science can know and be supportive of what the Shaman can know and teach Cause I support you in trying to find a comprehensive analysis of the cosmos or unified field theory, I really do, but what's your original idea or concept to come up with a unified field theory? Are you like science stuck in coming up with ideas and if you wanted to discover something new, what would it be? Seriously what are you working on and when will this new information be available for us to be informed by? Please present your unified field theory now or your present method to accomplish that task! Thank you Disbelief takes effort thus not the default position and sadly enough it's in response to the Shamans ideas not self-existing unto itself but in relation to spritual ideas which again is not original and far from an default position I said non-toxic sustainable methods and why would you be down stream, aren't we doing our "load" together; Oh wait your in the science tribe down stream, I forgot...lol When someone's cup is full as yours is overflowing, then to you Yen's information will always seem too much for you indeed, cause your cup cant hold any new information! Empty your cup so it can be filled with complete knowledge not partial... No one here is denouncing partial science or incomplete math just pointing out it is partial and temporary The historical cycle is what it is, a falling from spiritual realization into materialism and state of global war The war zone really is really between who has partial information and who has partial information which is science for the Shaman is one with the cosmos thus at one with something there is peace and harmony not war All true science is applied cosmology hence a true model delivers an self-reflective model whereas the workings of the cosmos is inside all things hence (Unified field theory) and I have no idea this scientology religion of yours but will go blackle it so I can try to relate to where your coming from...lol Not intolerance but defining complete from partial for true intolerance can not define the difference between partial and complete! Actually that is what failure is when you want what is complete but can only produce partial information to investigate the complete cosmos, but I support a search for a unified field theory but it will be a discovery not a theory for you cant invent the cosmos but the Shaman can see the infinate similarities of how things are to be manifest from the unmanifest. Can partial science measure the unmanifest yet...lol nope Science does indeed play god with genetic experiment's and programming students that it can or will describe things in totality when that is a lie sold to the masses at the price of their soul A school of thought is only as valid as can it describe what it investigates in a comprehensive way otherwise it's just a bunch of theories in trying to determine a comprehensive whole system analysis of creation or all of life
Oh, Yen, pppppuuuuhhrrrrrllleeaasseee.... Dalai Lama - the what?!? Hehehe No wonder you can't see wood for the trees...
In spite of the various interpretations and justifications, I think myth(faith) has nothing to do with science. On the contrary, science is used to debunk myth. Myth is a belief system based on unproven (often unprovable) premises , where as science demands proof of any and all premises, before it can be considered believable.
You bet. The only way Humans can get anywhere. Welcome to Earth, dear Alien! LOL is for kids, indeed... And no, you didn't get a simple, light-hearted joke, no cynicism... I believe TCM was very accurate - this is what happens when kids filled up with Hollywood garbage start talking 'like seriously'... Jeez!
How can myth be debunked by what science cannot measure or record? It can't and myth is not the Shamans beliefs, the shamans beliefs are his way of life in living with nature and preserving it not like science perpetuating an ever increasing unsustainable reality for all of life on earth hence science debunks itself when it always applys partial knowledge to a complete earth and cosmos - Selfdebunking science does And the can of worms has been open when you the OP creates a topic about god to only debunk god...lol...cause you don't believe and have no Shamanic experiences to participate in an actual thread concerning god...lol Why would what is self-evident be acquired in any effort? Anything needing effort is trying to prove it's partial methods in cosmic investigation is not in sync with what it is wishing to investigating and hence not as sacred a science as the reality it is trying to investigate
"Just a bunch of theories" are enabling you to spout your fairy tales into the world in the first place. I'd be very grateful for science if I were you. If you weren't such a hypocrite, you'd sit in your cave and tell your fantasies to your closest relatives and noone would be pestered by this nonsense. But no, if it serves you, science is suddenly a very convenient method which you don't even appreciate. You babble around this single point endlessly and that's why you can't be taken serious. False premise. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Noone has to debunk anything. Flawed logic all day. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Does anyone else? Seriously?
The Shaman misperceived through lens of partial science will always seem a fairy tale but I could take all the high level physics classes and number theory and so forth and have and yet you try 0% to understand me or the true Shaman perspective and this is suppose to be a thread about God not disproving God which science can only ridicule never prove! This thread in itself is a deception meant to lure and destroy anyone talking about god so in response only I and others here point out the scientist attempt at theorizing their undiscovered universal unified field theory which it doesn't have. Why is that wrong! You guys have no unified field theory and you know it! Admit that, can you? Post it and we'll much better be able to talk and actually debate since your highest level of conversation is lacking a complete perspective And it's obvious you want us to follow you and your religion of science and if we don't we're living in a fairy tale or we're against you which sounds paranoid and a threatened state of mind. Who cares if I have non-drug induced mystical experiences? Why does it bother you so much? Why feel threatened? The smart scientist would open himself up to the shaman to at least understand where he is coming from so you can at least be friends despite our differences but you rage a war between us which I think is just inside you but externalized upon who has ideas you can't prove. That to me is childish and the world is similar in nature, destoying what it can't understand. Did the Shaman destroy your culture? No but your culture destroyed his and the Shaman is compassionate and still trying love and above all share his ideas nothing more... The hypocrte is the one who cant admit he doesn't have a comprehensive whole system analysis but still wants to get credit for showing the way like your religion science does so the burdon of proof lies in you for science claims to know complete information yet it doesn't have complete anything just temporary, partial stuff to sell and market to the world
Too much Matrix and self-indulgent feeling of enlightenment by a movie. I once had that, too. Then I turned 13.
You mean to say you feel rather lazy...??? But seriously! 'Cause us Earthlings, unlike you, Aliens or Divine beings, whatever - are not borne knowledgeable and educated.... Go figure... P.S. Redroad is a right ol' nutter, with that last post, hehehehe!!!!
You are the rabbit denying the puzzle because a last piece is missing. Look above somewhere for the picture. I admitted it long ago. Look above. It's also completely irrelevant because, again, you are dismissing it because it doesn't fit your views. However, facts don't care about your views. Again, the fact that we can have this discussion over potentially thousands of kilometers in real-time is enough proof that science works. A smart scientists questions outrageous claims. Anyone else is not a scientist. Again you evade the point, while posting on your very scientific computer. At this point, I'm ignoring you. You can't be reasoned with. You don't apply logic to anything. You have your imaginary world view without any basis in facts. In fact, everywhere else you'd be considered a hardcore troll and I don't know why I've wasted all this time with you. You'll now go ahead and declare your imaginary victory over the evil scientist. And I don't care. The dog doesn't care what the flea thinks, either.
My highest experiences of a complete cosmos we're long before the matrix ever came out but I guess we all know now your like 23 with little life experience, maybe a little college "education" and the enormous inability to learn something new ...lol
The only part of you that will be hurt by expanding your concept of who you are is your ego which incidentally isn't really you anyway .. All of this is within you but is covered up by the loud/raging voice of the 13 year old
Nah, you forgot the crucial part: 13 year old who is a patient for 9 years already.... No wonder she had experienced the whole cosmos...
I suppose you're talking to me? I know perfectly well who I am, thank you very much. I'm rational enough to be humble enough to not assume an overly arrogant importance of myself in the cosmos like others do. I appreciate the work of humanity to free itself from quacks and sharlatans. And the 13 year old was decades ago. But thanks for playing.
The cosmos is without effort, it exists in non-effort in acknowledging it is one entity... Wow your off topic like every post, someone call guinness world records...lol The part is in the whole, as the fruit is in the seed so another useless post of yours not debating any points and trying to teach from being partially informed...lol Not having a unified field theory is definitely relevant unless you wish to convince the world you can guide them with partial temporary science Science didn't create reality it is a parasite that uses cosmic information that came before science and will be around longer than science can play god in the world... Outrageous claim = fictional big bang theory...lol...hence no science indeed...lol That's my line not your and your ignoring me cause you lost the debate cause you can't debate nor present any complete understandings or information Later MDL Troll, have fun splitting your atoms which you can't even track down to truly measure ...lol Enters the one primal atom that all life is animated from eternally... But how can you know yourself perfectly when perfect would be described as complete and you identify with science which is incomplete hence your self-knowledge is incomplete as well...lol No post of yours was ever humble in the slightest for sure Science doesn't wish to free itself from shamanic wisdom it just feels threatened by it and will always cause the shaman resonates with the whole from within not through a machine
lol...Athiest against athiest, this is what's actually going on but the scapegoat will always be the Shaman cause he doesn't use a machine to know... Which makes the athiest feel incomplete cause he needs a machine and the Shaman only needs him/herself to know... Hence partial science is machine based not cosmic based hence artificially trying to discover what is natural ...lol