What about the other gods? Are they phantasms of their believers? Why are you dismissing them? And if you don't, how do they fit into the theory that your god made everything? Aren't you downplaying them by that?
Read my post - I said in my very first line, who knows who is right, its up to us to choose, Im not dismissing anything, Im saying we believe what we choose / are brought up to believe I believe what I do, you believe what you do, we'll never know until we die
I see, thinking is frowned upon in religion. Why did your god give you the ability to think, then? I did it again, did I? My mistake, sorry.
Where? Your only post on this page containing the word "think" is this: You made some good thoughts and challenge others to think. I did and came up with some questions in the process. But now you don't participate anymore and turtle into your "I believe" shell. Why did you stop?
I stopped because you became the typical troll, and for that reason, Im gone, I've realised that trying to explain myself to dickheads is just wasting my brain, have a nice life
So thinking is trolling religion. Got it. You see, the problem is, you don't just believe inside of you. You take it to the outside and make claims disguised as facts ("You are underestimating Gods abilities, God made man") which are right to be challenged. If religious people would stop doing that, noone would give a s**t. And to expand on that, the only reason religion can live on is because it is extroverted by its believers who, on the other hand, evade any challenge as simple as the question of how their view fits together with the believers of other gods. So all it takes is a simple challenge and humanism goes out the window we have the primal "us-vs-them" mentality which has been the bane of humanity forever. Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y_1V9dGTtNk#t=450s
You had the choice to ask what I meant if you were confused rather than assume you knew what I meant .. you are mistaken reread it .. For clarification I said "I can understand your reluctance to even consider such matters .. I have lived with it my whole life .. I am at the moment only asking you to open your mind that such things have and will continue to occur regardless of sciences direct witness or documentation of it .. As to Rolling Thunder he did in fact most of his life devote his life to healing .. For many scientifically minded people it is a big jump into this realm but it none the less exists .. It is not for me to "prove it" that would be a waste of resources IMHO .. " What was meant was I have lived my whole life with some peoples reluctance to even consider such matters so I can understand why you might .. Nothing more nothing less .. To assign some uber meaning to what I said is ego gone wild and is quite disrespectful .. You make a continued practice of it as evidenced in your posts .. again Do you not have any better and or more respectful means to communicate ? or should I assume that is the best you can do .. You are right about one thing for sure .. I have had a life change and because of it I have concluded I know far less than what I once thought I knew .. Your words "We are in a thread about the concept of god and you talk about willfully misrepresenting. Hilarious. " I'll repeat what i said for you because you don't seem to get that you continue to do it or maybe you do but just don't care ? either way it has the same net effect disrespect of others "It would appear you are not comfortable/satisfied unless you are on some level belittling or misrepresenting the nature of someones words in a way where the context and intent they were presented in is stripped of it's true meaning .. It's the same thing as lying because you willfully have misrepresented what I said and or presented by trying to strip the context and the nature of it's intent .. It's not the first time you've done it ..That is what I would like to communicate .."
You really are as stupid as you sound, religion IS about conclusions / choices Anyway Im off to bed, good luck lasting on forums if all you do is troll
Sorry buddy, but then you need to take a long hard look at what language is for. What you said in bold blue doesn't mean what you said next by any stretch of imagination. The "it" you said to have lived with is clearly a reference to "reluctance" as in your own reluctance. I don't know if your native language is English, mine isn't, but I'd wager a bet that anyone would understand it that way. And no, it didn't become clearer in the process. Just now I realise what you meant. So I take everything back. It was a linguistic mistake.
It's OK, I can take it. Religion has been trolling humanity forever. I'm just a fish in the ocean then. Edit: Just browsing around YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scarHc8RA0g I REALLY like how in the 2nd part of it, the school supervisor asks why pedophelia is wrong, why anything is wrong if there's no "lawgiver" in the form of god. That's a really disturbing view that without supervision, humans can't have morals. WTF. Edit2: I can barely watch it. 3rd part some guy is saying interfering with the lives of gay people is OK. Another one is saying execution for adultry is a proper punishment. Just watch from this point for some minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3kDpBhskUNE#t=336s 4th part, we're at defending murder. Is this what you want to be a part of? Not to litter the quotes thread with religious debates, I place it here: “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg Brilliant closure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k-DVb8PHSnA#t=405s
Indeed, we can have morals without God, as proven by Philosophy and many ordinary Humans. To assert otherwise is extremely offensive. And extremist!!! Go to Hell! Well, you shall because you think you're "superior" and that your extremist views are somehow justified, when you want to shove them down anyone's throat... That IS against God's will!!!
lol...Nice video Yea TCM and gorski are huge trolls I actually made the science thread to prove some points and it did! 1. They aren't about improving partial science otherwise they'd go there and develop an unified field theory but science it stuck as they are a perfect representation of that cult partial science. I say cult cause they clearly need these spiritual sacrifices to maintain their illusion of control and dominance with partial science! 2. They like to rule like gov'ts, religions and science does upon earthlings so to have their own thread where they could be mocked and eternally ridiculed is something they can't handle because they never one time debated anything in this thread just complain and lash out to what their cult partial science can't prove which is just more control This whole thread is a setup to dismiss and invalidate peoples personal beliefs and rights to know spirit from within. These guys who live in an extremely limited mind know being limited sucks so like bullies they externalize their own limitations on others with every post. Did anyone of them entertain an shamanic perspective or question with openness and genuineness? No cause that's the world we live in ruled by partial science, controlling not setting you free religions and governments that don't really govern but just setup groups and conquer and divide If you've tried to convince these guys that there's more to reality than their outside apparatus and limited mind can offer up then you've wasted your time and you should really go do something that is more fun or productive cause they are 100% stuck in their ways and won't change any time soon I suggest to moderators since there is a definite need here to be validated with spiritual knowledge and wisdom that an Official spiritually thread be opened and extremely moderated for positive, validating and supportive means. This way these two trolls can wait for their prey in this thread while those with hernest intentions in learning or sharing spiritual or indigenous wisdom can enjoy good company and genuine spiritually based conversation Again, a thread where those with spiritual beliefs and indigenous wisdom can have fun, play and enjoy each others company to further an genuine path towards or in experiencing enlightenment I suggest Yen (MDL spiritual guy) do this and put explicit instructions on first post what the threads intentions are ! No trolls or negativity about spiritual endeavors will be allowed! Maybe "The Official MDL Sanctuary for all spiritual people" or something like that? And by all means close this thread for all it is and will become is a war zone in perfect refection of our world which is currently a war zone For all endeavors be they artificially or mechanically inclined like partial science or indigenous wisdom should be a movement towards peace not war End of line...
It's not funny, Timey, not funny at all! A number of us tried but you are... completely "out"... I feel sorry for you, if anything - trying to be so "critical" but begging the Admin not to allow anyone to be "critical" towards you in any way... A complete short circuit... Just one of many examples a few of us bothered to show you, to show you through your terrible contradictions but no way... Such is your fear to be reflective, in any way. And without reflectivity there is no spirituality! So much for a "spiritual" Timey, banging on about spirituality. The level of aggression and even downright hatred you carry is incompatible with anything you allegedly preach. My condolences, if you do not seek proper professional help! Get well soon - and I mean it, sincerely, straight from the heart, mind and soul!!!