If God is Omniscient then Human is not free.

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Free will doesn't exist If God is omniscient.

  1. If yes, why?

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  2. If no, then how?

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  1. TCM

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    I see. Trying a different troll approach, are you.
     
  2. gorski

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    Another one from Ziggy:

    Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis … mankind will surmount this neurotic phase, just as so many children grow out of their similar neurosis.
     
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  3. SOCRATE_MMXII

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    #1403 SOCRATE_MMXII, Oct 19, 2015
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    I wonder why do you love Freud so much...he was a lost soul in the web of the mind.
    That man expressed his fears and others took it as knowledge...
     
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  4. R29k

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    My heart is broken in the face of the stupidity of my species.
    Joni Mitchell
     
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  5. gorski

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    Or perhaps that is your fear, Soccy... :D
     
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  6. sid_16

    sid_16 MDL Giveaway Organiser

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    You still haven’t gotten to the point of this discussion. I managed to read part of the post you made here and almost fell asleep. I have little patience with posters who devote multiple pages telling me/us how mystic their idea/s is/are. Don’t tell me how smart you are, tell me your idea/s about this topic (''Free will doesn't exist if God is omniscient''), just clarify your position...don't beat around the bush as you've shown in almost each thread you subscribe in this section Mr. Socrate of 2012.
     
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  7. Alphawaves

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    I wonder if some opinions would change if faced with a terminal disease. :(
     
  8. TCM

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    One would assume that failing prayers would actually do so. But then it's just "God's mysterious ways". You can't win with lunatics.

    Reasonable people are fully aware of the fact of life called death. They don't flee into a fantasy to hide an uncomfortable truth. They live good lives because they know they only have this one life, not because they fear hell.

    I don't think a terminal illness would change opinions on either side.
     
  9. SOCRATE_MMXII

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    #1409 SOCRATE_MMXII, Oct 20, 2015
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    :eek: :laie:

    Don't read just a part, read it all...
    Well, there's your "problem"...you have little patience. Have more.
    Here's in a nutshell: can a 4D brain understand an nD (where n = infinity) being or force?
    gorski & TCM are beating around the bush when it comes to answering this question.
    If you can, then...tell us how you did it.
    Enlighten us...maybe I, gorski & TCM might learn something new.
     
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  10. gorski

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    I answered the question like you never could and possibly never will understand... not even close... :)

    But hey, keep your spirits up... ;)
     
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  11. SOCRATE_MMXII

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    Where and when?
     
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  12. sid_16

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    Actually the burden of proof is on you as you are claiming 'you have understood' or it is impossible for us to understand an infinity being to exist. Thus you can either defend this claim, or you are as always a pseudo-mystic.
    Would you like to entertain us with your pseudo-mystical thought?:D
     
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  13. SOCRATE_MMXII

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    I never said I understood. I said I know. It's quite a difference.
     
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  14. gorski

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    Indeed, you know you are trolling, so...:rolleyes::biggrin::D
     
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  15. R29k

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    Not trolling worse. I think he actually believes all of what he says :laie:
     
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  16. TCM

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    Finally some evidence will come pouring in. Go ahead! How do you know?
     
  17. Joe C

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    The best evidence for a supreme being would be references to biblical views or any other written books about any supreme being, you do not believe those views to be accurate (aka fairy tales) so you are asking something that is not possible within your own mind set. I suppose your doing this to prove your ego is correct so you can believe in your disbelief
     
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  18. TCM

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    By that logic, The Hulk is real, zombies are real, everything I saw in the movies is real.
     
  19. gorski

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    I am telling you - trolling happily... :D
     
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  20. Joe C

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    If it boosts your ego, then have it
     
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