IR5 - The Official Windows 7 Rearm Solution

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  1. Smorgan

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    Too true with the "Now and then" section and only the people who worked on it know what it does lol....
    Ironcially the same goes for mine because it does not modify any system files rather it umm renames them so the system doesn't see it...
    (Which gives no clues to what my method is lol) I also like the chuck Norris joke too which I have a little in mine but not much...
    However back to the main point I believe Daz that answers your questions...

    And no I don't believe in the necessity that just because a thread has so little views does not make it valuable as hell aka over 1 million which is arbitrary...
    And it gives the guest or unknown person the chance to see all the options when he/she hacks windows....
    With the Slic Method, Trial Method or Just killing the activation....
     
  2. Super_User

    Super_User MDL Junior Member

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    My avatar is up... Daz, is this your handy work?
     
  3. acyuta

    acyuta MDL Expert

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    Although Daz loader has worked for me all the time, I for one like this option better. Simple and elegant. Unfortunately, I could not make it work last time, and will try again in the next round. As pointed out by masterdisaster, better to use 3 rearms through commands (i.e go through to around 120 days), and then install IR4. Does this work on enterprise evaluation (i think it does). Ent. E is for 90 days trial.
     
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  4. Daz

    Daz MDL Developer / Admin

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    #824 Daz, Jun 30, 2010
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    @ Smorgan
    This doesn't activate you, the system never says you're activated.

    A lot of users actually do know the difference between a trial state and activation, for many they question why should they have to play around with trial stuff when they can just install something thats much more static? Think of it like a trial resetting application for some software or a cracked executable, most would go for the executable.

    @ timesurfer
    RW is totally different yet again though, that modifies files and this and the loader don't.

    RW was made a sticky because of it's public popularity, download figures and it's time span. To uninstall the thing it's a bit of a pain but there are still loads of people using the application.

    As I said theres just more to it than "I think this application is good, sticky!" because it also comes down to the public and if the application has a half decent rep. How can we say this application is a huge success when it sometimes gets 2 releases each day or every few days and we have no way to track the download figures?

    @ Super_User
    Yep :)

    @ acyuta
    That's your opinion and you're entitled to one. Personally I think the loader is cleaner and quicker, 1 click and your done for good. (Obviously I wouldn't be working on it if I didn't like it myself).
     
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  5. Smorgan

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    #825 Smorgan, Jun 30, 2010
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    @ daz it is evident when the user install Infinite Rearm 3.1 I think that its a trial rester because well it says it in the title....
    I think that its time to say the brunt facts which is to say you can't track download figures its just impossible with the amount of sharing n caring going on these days.... either way the common user knows what he/she is geting into when they don't go the legal route with the hacks....
    And also this is just becoming a pissing contest which I'm bound to loose at some point with being banned but I will sum this up....
    Other hacks CAN compete with each other on the same forum...
     
  6. Super_User

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    Thank you very much.

    Is it possible for the MDL to host those tools somewhere that it would have the ability to track the downloads?
     
  7. Smorgan

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    Media Fire tracks the amount of downloads you get on a given file so I think that would work best but the problem is that people will copy n past the link all over the place and even reupload it so it becomes a snowball effort to even try.... It would be like trying to count the amount of grains of sand the entire world has its just impossible but you could see how many downloads and reuploads are happening with media fire and google to get a relative count of the popularity a given tool has....

    So I guess it could be done!!!
     
  8. acyuta

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    #828 acyuta, Jun 30, 2010
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    Thanks for being gracious. Your loader has worked for me (from 1.6.9 onwards till 1.8...) since I started out with windows 7 (Feb 2010). No hassles, just click and go. 100% successful and 0% pain. However, I consider IR4 as a serious alternative approach, if it works for me. As of now, it did not, and because Daz loader worked for me earlier, I switched to it. Different matter that another great member gave me a MAK key which I am now using for Enterprise. I do have an Ultimate image activated with Daz loader (1.7.9) backed up on an external HDD (just in case that key stops working and I have to get my PC back quick).

    As of now, my personal opinion and the reco I give to my friends: use key if you have it, otherwise Daz loader.
    By the way, in India at least, a lot of preac. images are getting non-genuine on install. This was told to me by my trusted hardware vendor. He says that he advises his customers to avoid updates. I also started out with preac. images during Feb 2010, but switched to Daz loader from mid/end-Feb. Much more control and much more trust (use original ISO, use daz, uninstall Daz if you get hold of a key).
     
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  9. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    I think whats cleaner is not having to "pretend" your activated when your not! That's the beauty of IR4. We just cruise in trial forever...lol

    Quicker is arbitrary since it takes same time to install IR4 as it does your loader. About 5 minutes average so to argue that taking 2-5 minutes per/5-6 months is silly. And the benefits of never having to worry or be concerned if we might not be "activated" is Priceless...lol

    Both daz and IR4 are great tools and I sincerely believe they both belong eventually (concerning IR4) at the same level of distinctness as a sticked thread deserves

    Much respect you Daz and all MdL participants your a great bunch ;)
     
  10. Daz

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    @ Smorgan
    The FTP I use is what I mean, everyone seems to have access to it but with this application we can't see how well its doing and instead we can only look at the view count of the thread which isn't really all that much.

    The issue is people are too quick to say something when another developer comments on another project. It was requested that this thread was made a sticky to which I said why it's not, I then got challenged with reasons as to why it should be and I refereed to my thread as well as RemoveWAT's for comparison. As I've already said I don't think it's a competition at all as the target audience is different in my personal opinion. I'm certainly not competing with anyone, I work on my project and put it out and it just happens to be one of the public favourites.

    @ Super_User
    As above, the FTP would allow us to do that :)

    @ timesurfer
    It takes me less than 30 seconds to install a loader though and once it's installed you're done with it. The loader approach doesn't really pretend to be activated either, the system is activated. It just fools Windows itself into thinking it's a new system with SLIC 2.1, but it doesn't work from within Windows itself and thats the key difference here.

    Of course you will like your project and I will like mine, I'm not trying to compete at all which is why I originally said if you keep up what you're doing you will get sticky status at some point.
     
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  11. MasterDisaster

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    @ Daz

    Have you tried IR4?

    If you, haven't, please try it once, even if it is a VM.
     
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  12. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    I know the loader doesn't pretend to be activated...lol I know what your tool does and how I was just saying we IR4's don't even have to "pretend" and we get the same performance and functionality as your loader but without permanently placing files anywhere to "maybe" possibly be found somehow!

    And if it is a matter of minutes/seconds to install either your tool or mine then that in itself should consider the two on the same playing field in the "ballgame" called "how to use windows 7 for free with little hassle"
     
  13. JaguarXJ12

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    I think this whole idea of being in trial mode forever is great and it's an awesome alternative for the loader if that won't work.
    IR4 works just like it should and it's totally hardware independent, only downside is that you have to reinstall it once in a while (YES I'm lazy)

    I actually prefer this whole being "Activated" thing more though, one click, one restart then you're activated permanently.

    But I think IR4 deserves to be stickied, the application is growing stronger and so does it's fanbase.
    Of all MDL Projects and Applications this and DAZ loader is the ones I visit the most.
     
  14. Daz

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    #834 Daz, Jun 30, 2010
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    @ MasterDisaster
    Yes once before, don't know what version it was but I run it. Personally I just didn't see what the big deal about it is (not to offend youself or timesurfer).

    It's a great alternative for users who can't BIOS mod or use a loader but for me personally as a normal PC user I don't like having tasks set to execute, extra processes or any of that. I like my system to say "Genuine" and "Windows is activated" and be able to install any MS software.

    I just don't see it being any cleaner as it's still on C:\, you have to enter a command and you have scheduled tasks setup for it. I just like to install something and be done with it but thats just my personal taste as a user, not a developer or anything.

    @ timesurfer
    "but without permanently placing files anywhere to "maybe" possibly be found somehow!"
    As above, IR4 on C:\ I found that easy enough lol.

    This isn't a competition, I've been honest and told you what I as one of the moderators expect before I hand out sticky status. I got to be fair to the other developers here and it's not just me who gets a say in this but also the other moderators.
     
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  15. timesurfer

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    Hopefully "permanently" actually means permanent:p You never know with MS...lol Where'as trial is more conceivably permanent to me since all windows 7 are initially "trial"...lol

    "Trial" is the root of all windows 7 installations and thus more solidly a "permanent" solution to use windows 7 for free with zero fear of not being "activated for some reason or another ;)

    I agree but it isn't our decision...lol All we can do is support our favorite apps being developers or users and if it makes it to the top then great otherwise the awesomeness of IR4 is not lessened and I'm happy with the tool that I co-created with Masterdisaster

    @Daz

    After install and reboot the IR4 file is removed either form c: or the hidden partition so again no files to be found if they don't exist...lol
     
  16. MasterDisaster

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    I would indulge you to try out 3.1. It has improved a lot since the time you would have used it, check out the manual rearm feature.

    If you mean the extra process as the task, it is run for about 7 seconds every 30 days.
     
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    @ timesurfer
    But it leaves enough behind to rearm itself.

    @ MasterDisaster
    I'm that picky though, I don't like that I'd have to run the thing again every so often. I like to install and forget about it without anything extra added. I mean why would I install something which I will have to install again at some point and it also adds background tasks (even if they run for 7 seconds) when I could install a loader or a BIOS mod just once and then remain activated -- they both don't touch system files either so they ain't "super bad hacks".

    You could say well what if MS finds the loader, to that I say I've already got another method which Windows can't do anything about. But then as a comeback the same could be said for this via the scenario I put out to timesurfer.

    MS updates WAT to log the date and rearm count, if you then reset then boom "not genuine". The only solution then would be to uninstall WAT but if the loader was still working I wouldn't even have to do that or install something every few weeks/months. So you see it can really work both ways, it comes down to user preference and my personal preferences is static activation (and I mean for all software, not just x vs. y).
     
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  19. MasterDisaster

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    Here's my line:

    This tool facilitates you to use Windows 7 in trial mode until you are ready to buy a license.

    We do not support piracy.

    If you call your self picky, i am pickier. I don't like to lose 2 seconds on every boot.
     
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    I think that "how long does it take to install it" is not the issue here but if this project deserves to be up there with the "big boys". There are some criteria to determine if a project is worthy the sticky status. Now, of course different forums/mods/admins have their own and ultimately they will decide what goes where. As members of this great forum we can only post our views about the issues.

    IMHO the questions that should be asked before a project becomes a sticky are:

    1. Is it a viable solution?
    2. Is it fully functional?
    3. Does it work as intended?
    4. Is it actively developed and supported by the developer?
    5. Is it out of beta?
    6. Is it popular enough? (the key word here is "enough")
    7. Is it easy enough to use? (again the key word here is "enough")

    All the answers should be "yes" for a project to become a sticky. And I believe that in the case of IR4 you can safely say that answers to all the questions are "yes".