"Is is true that Windows 8 can optimize SSDs?" Well, it can also force full defrag...

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  1. shot²

    shot² MDL Novice

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    From another thread, unfortunately locked before any complete answer was provided:

    Actually, in a few select cases Windows 8 will perform a full, complete, old-style defragmentation (= defragmentation + consolidation) on SSDs. This is a reproducible bug in the 'Maintenance' scheduled task - which can easily be triggered manually - but does not affect all systems. It occurs with the Win 8 RTM, i.e. 6.2.9200 but, I repeat, affects only some users and not all. Therefore, many lay people will simply repeat the mantra "you're wrong, you're dumb, all windows 8 does is retrim, haha newb :D" whether they actually verified what they assert or not, haha...

    More info, screenshots, analysis, and less-than-perfect solution at technet forums (search for "Defragging SSDs a default" then *read that thread*) - that is, if you care more about experimental methods and facts, than hearsay and faith ;)
     
  2. EFA11

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    SSD can be defrag of course, anyone to say it cannot be done is as snub as your comments above. The question that should be asked is should you? Or more to the point, "what happens to my SSD's lifetime due to read/erase/write repeatedly from defragging over time? Say 2 years of scheduled maintenance?" If paying for new gear earlier than needed is ok with someone, than by all means have at it.

    Now if you will excuse me I need to go defrag my 32gb of ram :p
     
  3. linshilinshi

    linshilinshi MDL Novice

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    why do you add a new thread but not post in the original one?
     
  4. PaulDesmond

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    because it was locked :eek:
     
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    bk109 MDL Senior Member

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    No,that's what the government WANTS you to think!
     
  6. PaulDesmond

    PaulDesmond MDL Magnet

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    are you talking about those little green men acting as government?
     
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  7. EFA11

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    I thought it was the government acting as little green men? :shutup:
     
  8. s1ave77

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    Try that with an older Defrag Tool...:eek:...in case you don´t like your SSD.
     
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  9. EFA11

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    lmao its all fear mongering!
     
  10. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    Afaik a SSD can´t be defragged same way as a HDD. Not shure what some new Tools do while 'Optimizing' a SSD but it´s not a classical defragg. Misalignment would be one of your minor issues.
     
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    Yeah its not that it cant be done you just dont need to. Lol as if you cant ask the ones that made the SSD if you really don't know. Asking in places like this you get yes no sure, maybe, could be, never, noob, blah blah..
     
  13. shot²

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    #14 shot², Jul 19, 2013
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    To bring this back on track: the issue is, Windows does perform full, senseless, old-style defrag+consolidation of SSDs automatically and in the background - albeit in some cases only (meaning that concerned W8 & SSD users should duly check by themselves before simply swallowing Microsoft's overconfident statements "Don't worry, we changed things, Windows 8 does not do traditional defrag to SSDs, never ever, because we say it, trust us").

    @EFA11 simply read the "OP's suggestion" fully and you'll see how and why the statement you quote is wrong and, unfortunately, falsely reassuring. ;) If you're in a hurry, scroll down to the first few screenshots and read...
     
  14. EFA11

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    Now that is something to sink our teeth into. Yes, even I take for granted what MS says settings do from time to time, and of course they do not always do as stated. It never hurts to double check MS's "default" settings to ensure they are what they are.
     
  15. shot²

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    I haven't found any mention of the SSD-full-defrag-bug-in-Windows-8 in the thread you mention. Mind mentioning the exact post? :worthy:
     
  16. urie

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    You mentioned
    that thread was about Is is true that Windows 8 can optimize SSDs? I posted link to older thread on Windows-7-8-SSD-Optimization you started different subject Well, it can also force full defrag...