Is there an updated Windows 8.0 release?

Discussion in 'Windows 8' started by MonarchX, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. MonarchX

    MonarchX MDL Expert

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    I work for a repair shop and we often get people who want a full wipe and clean OS install on their laptops. Most of them use Windows 8.0 and not 8.1 for some reason. One way or another Windows 8 key is embedded into their BIOS and we just try Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro to figure out which Windows 8 they have. If we select the right Windows 8 version, a window that asks for product key during install will NOT show up. However, at times we do get 8.1 machines and customers are just un-aware of their versions.

    I can find and get Windows 8.1 AIO that includes updates up to September. But what about Windows 8.0 updated all the way to September? I've never seen a single version release like that, let alone AIO release of Windows 8.0 updated! Because of the embedded key version, we have no choice but to install Windows 8.0 instead of 8.1 on many machines. Having to go through INSANE number of updates after raw Windows 8.0 installation takes several hours. An updated Windows 8.0 AIO or at least stand-alone versions would be of HUGE help!

    Another question is - is there a tool that can detect version of Windows 8/8.1 product key? I don't need the key, but a tool that would identify the exact Windows 8/8.1 version embedded into system BIOS would be so awesome!
     
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  2. PaulDesmond

    PaulDesmond MDL Magnet

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    latest W8 versions on TechNet or MSDN are dated 8/15/2012. All updates that came along later are not included
     
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  3. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    #3 s1ave77, Sep 22, 2014
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    Seems no-one is willing to bother with Win 8 anymore, as the OEM and Retail keys are still valid for Win 8.1 (although you need to install with generic keys and enter the custom key afterwards) and it's far less bloated by updates :cool2:.

    To determine the key i use The Ultimate PID Checker by janek2012, it's not fully up-to-date and for latest keys needs to be pointed to Win 8.1.1
    Code:
    C:\Windows\System32\spp\tokens\pkeyconfig\pkeyconfig.xrm-ms
    via 'Custom' option.
     
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  4. MonarchX

    MonarchX MDL Expert

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    Are you saying you can install Windows 8.1 on wiped/clean/formatted systems with BIOS/motherboard-embedded Windows 8.0 OEM keys? There is no generic key or let's put it this way - there is no customer with Windows 8-embedded BIOS machine that knows their generic key. I am simply trying to make it easier

    I am still AMAZED at the fact there nobody can come up with the one and truly needed tool - a program like Windows Update that can download all the updates, scan the system for needed/superseded ones and install the right ones! Windows Update is only good for one machine. Once we move on to the next customer, that next customer's machine has to re-download all the updates all over again. I want to have all the updates downloaded and PRESERVED to be used on many people's machines. Why is there no such tool?!?!?! It would save so much time... I only need that for Windows 8 and 8.1 because we have updated Deployment Server Images for Windows 7. Our Network Admins can't figure out how to make Windows 8 work with our deployment, so low-level techies like me are forced to use Windows 8 CD's...
     
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  5. KNARZ

    KNARZ MDL Addicted

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    #5 KNARZ, Sep 25, 2014
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    Yes (If s1ave77 is right: .. Use the generic public available key to install and replace this key with the one from your're board. - there scripts and so on to get the key.)
    But I think he is wrong as you also could install Win7 SP1 with Win7 Keys. Win7 with Win7SP1 Key isn't possible as Setup can't/doesn't know the key's matching SKU.

    I'm not sure if there is some... but you can easiely create some workaround.

    e.g. all from a stick/hdd/ufd:
    get: http://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/46645-WindowsPatchLoader
    download all updates you want
    run dism /online /add-package /packagepath:Updates\
    (updates is the download location from WindowsPatchLoader loaded updates

    I have a quite complex script which first checks installed and superseded updates, creates dynamic lists to apply only the diff of installed and available (and not manuel excluded) updates and so on.
    but I can't publish it (yet or never will).
     
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  6. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    Tested and cofirmed by myself and several other users here :D.
     
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  7. KNARZ

    KNARZ MDL Addicted

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    What I have read is about the detection.
    Using W8 Key in W81 with PID.txt - is this tested / confirmed?

    Anyway he also can install with ei.cfg and so on stuff.
     
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  8. M0rriss0n

    M0rriss0n MDL Senior Member

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    Completed succesfully but Windows Updates find the same Update over and over againo_O
     
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  9. MonarchX

    MonarchX MDL Expert

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    #9 MonarchX, Sep 25, 2014
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    LOL! When something sounds too good to be true - it usually is. If Windows Update tells you to re-download and apply updates already installed through this tool, then I can't use it because customers will be very frustrated about not being able to finish updating their OS and I will never know which updates were properly applied and which ones were not...

    I hope more work on this tool will eventually make it work and be usable by PC repair techs like me!

    If I could at least point Windows Update to look for downloaded (but not applied) updates through my USB drive, where I'd keep all the available updates, so it wouldn't have to re-download them, then that alone would save so much time!
     
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  10. CEW

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    Nothing wrong with tool. It just downloads the updates, and dism integrates them for you.


    Which update is it?

    Can't remember with 8.0, but 8.1 wants to install what appears to be the same update, even after you already integrated it. It isn't the exact same update, but they use the same kb number.
     
  11. CEW

    CEW MDL Member

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    You can do that with WUD. I don't think they still bother with 8.0 update lists, though.
     
  12. mimart7

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    I can confirm that my W8 key, does in fact work with 8.1. I originally got it when MS had the $15 upgrade from W7 to W8. I use a generic key, for the installation, and then activate with my retail key.

    Get the generic keys here, http://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/47480-windows-8-1-generic-keys Just make sure you use the correct key for your version.
     
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  13. s1ave77

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  14. KNARZ

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    I still can't belive that the W8 Key does not work to install W8.1. I belive you all but I don't understand it. The Key-Check should include the same SKUs as in the Windows-Setup envirionment.
     
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  15. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    Although MS is trying to get all Win 8 users to Win 8.1 it seems the intention is that users go the Win Store Upgrade route :g:.
     
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  16. CODYQX4

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    Which I've mentioned was really dumb.

    A user who shuns Metro (most of everyone, I even strongly recommended Start8 for this laptop be bought and installed ASAP, and have disabled the Hot Corners), never would even think there would be a free OS upgrade there.

    They should have coded it like a service pack without calling it one (so they don't have to extend support, because that is why there is no 7 SP2), and delivered it via Windows Update.
     
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  17. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    Huh ... Stardock, really (i even refuse to maintain friends systems when any Stardock is installed)? When paying for a replacement i can only recommend StartIsBack+ :cool2:.

    As it seems Win 8/8.x was a field study as they changed that in next Windows version, there is an option in WU to upgrade to higher builds.
     
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  18. CODYQX4

    CODYQX4 MDL Developer

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    I've gotten used to it because Parallels Desktop (OS X VM Software. Unlike Windows where VMware is unrivaled by any VM app, Parallels is better for OS X) bundles it and ModernMix.

    That thing you mention we saw in 9 is EXACTLY how 8.1 upgrading should have been done, and it shouldn't have required you to download all 8 updates to get, just to have to install all 8.1 updates (the Windows Store requires you to have latest Windows Updates, not sure if some or all).
     
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  19. abbodi1406

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    Store Upgrade requires one update only: KB2871389
    and must be installed online, after reboot you simply use Run command (Win+R): ms-windows-store:WindowsUpgrade
     
  20. CODYQX4

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    I'll keep that in mind.

    Anyway the only way I could get Windows Updates to not fail and boot loop on revert was to straight up clean install via ISO with EI.CFG set to Core and OEM channel.

    All is well with that.
     
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