Is trump crazy?

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  1. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    #21 Michaela Joy, Feb 20, 2017
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    @gorski: Americans took a poll:

    The vote is:

    Capitalism: 1

    Socialism: 0

    :p

    All kidding aside. The fact that Trump is president should show the world how much the average American -DESPISES- socialism.

    And that's the way the Electoral College works.

    For those who do not know, read here.

    https://www.reference.com/government-politics/purpose-electoral-college-c9f12a8548d434ee#

    So, Trump was qualified by the Electoral College.

    Are they crazy?

    @dhjohns: Conversely, Hillary Clinton was not. Get over it. :p
     
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  2. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Yes, MJ, however...:D

    The good ol' democratic socialist Bernie would have beaten the nasty ol' capitalist hands down and he REALLY WOULD HAVE DRAINED THE SWAMP... ;) :D

    Alas... :(
     
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  3. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    @gorski: And we all know what the Democratic party did to Sanders...They wanted Hillary.

    And that's why Trump won. Most people saw the duplicity and said no.

    Social Democracy?...Yes. As we can afford it. Socialism? Nope.
     
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  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Socialism, of course, is not the same as "real socialism" of the Soviet type, Bolshevik horror story, from Stalin onwards, non!

    See, in the UK if you say "I am a socialist" - it means democratic socialist, first and foremost. This is "cultural", as well...

    Can the richest society on Earth afford Democratic Socialism? You bet! It already had it going, after WWII!

    Everybody came to the US to see how it can be done, Keynes and all...

    But then... Reagan and onwards, Clinton and Obama included... :(

    All it takes is to halve the military budget and - rejoice! ;)
     
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  5. Mr.X

    Mr.X MDL Guru

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    So 156 points, they say, reflect a low IQ?
    What is high IQ? According to you.
     
  6. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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  7. msr

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    Every 1st world country is infact a socialist country, far more then capitalist.

    You, americans, have the biggest gov infrastructure in the world.

    How many in america, work for intelligence agencies? What do you think these people do, just doddle on paper all day. No, they dictate how you lot live your lifes, whether you know it or not.

    You need a license for practically everything, and its highly regulated.

    True capitalism, is some market in some 3rd world country. It does not exist in any form in 1st world. Govs control society in every 1st world country, not any market.

    You can bet the new york stock exchange, is virtually price fixed by the plunge protection team. Govs run even your stock exchange, so the market does not destroy society.

    There is no true capitalism in 1st world. All 1st world countries are more socialist then capitalist.
     
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  8. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    That makes you a racist, X? Are you? I mean, why would you say something like that?

    On the other issues: IQ is a hotly debated issue from historic grounds onwards - just see this https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/nov/12/race-intelligence-iq-science or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_race_and_intelligence_controversy

    Then come Eysenck & co. http://factstore.info/eysenck-autho...-white-people-have-more-iq-than-black-people/

    All this is way more complex than an article or a couple of posts, sure but... IQ is no "objective" scientific fact. From the start they were measuring education, not basic/fundamental abilities, then they were trying to separate them, as "they were very different" and so on and on... Hardly "objective" in any manner!!! And it seems not "universal", depending on types of tests, so...

    Msr, what is "true capitalism"?
     
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  9. msr

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    #29 msr, Feb 20, 2017
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    True capitalism, would be a system with no gov oversite, or rules, and anarchy in effect. The only real places true capitalism would exist is 3rd world markets or such. People totally operating a business without gov controls, or influence.

    Every 1st world country is more socialist then capitalist.

    America, has probably the biggest gov infrastructure in the world.

    What do people think gov intel agencies in america for which there is loads, do all day?

    Virtually everything in 1st world countries is regulated by gov. Even your ny stock exchange has a plunge protection team, that price fixes share prices. So in effect they own the stock market, not the market or public.

    In 1st world countries, there is no real capitalism, apart from the black markets, with no controls.

    Gov, can destroy any business in america, and thats not capitalism, that more inclined to socialism. Govs virtually run it all. So 1st world countries are far more socialist then capitalist.
     
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  10. gorski

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    This is a mythical chaos, rather than anything at all... And no 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 59th world order country can possibly be like that and so it does not exist. Period!

    Such a society never was advocated by anti-Feudalists trying to set up Capitalism, to begin with. It never existed either, in any shape or form, from the start, it does not exist anywhere in the world and it will never exist in "capitalist" sense, since it simply can not - by definition.

    From the start, state had to be there for many reasons, internal and external. Internal market, obliging language, courts, traffic, education, police, military and onwards. And it always sided with the owners/haves/property versus the proletariat/labour/have nots, even when it was merely a little bit more than a "night-watchman state", at least compared to today's role it has, even when "minimal"!

    You also seem quite innocent re. the notion "Socialism", too. But... never mind...
     
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  11. bloodstone

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    if everytime he talks from the heart instead of reading a text his aides wrote for him, he comes across as crazy, then yeah.. he's probably crazy.

    trying to save our childrens educational system but putting Ditzy DefundPublicSchools in charge of it...
     
  12. moon510

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    He brings real change to America. That's why many people think he is crazy. Crazy are those on CNN. He is cool, calm and reasonable guy. I am not American, but I like his slogan: "America First!" It should be a model for all countries. I mean every country should follow its own agenda. To hell with globalism.
     
  13. Tiger-1

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    hmm I think nobody can stop globalism :g:
     
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  14. Michaela Joy

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    @Tiger-1: We're going to try. :thumbsup:
     
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  15. Michaela Joy

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    Like gorski said, Unbridled Capitalism does not exist in the wild. The Government is there to protect the people and make sure that business don't destroy the environment and pay their fair share of taxes.

    At least in theory, that's how it's supposed to work.
     
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  16. gorski

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    Well, who would have thought.... :rolleyes:

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8f54...-preliminary-approval-38-new-trump-trademarks

    China grants preliminary approval to 38 new Trump trademarks

    Says Bernie:

    As I pointed out, a way back... :g::sneaky::beee:
     
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  17. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ies-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

    There: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ced-by-rich-chinese-who-invest-cash-for-visas

    And everywhere: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-interview-trump-democratic-party-resistance

     
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  18. JFKI

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    Yes. Like a fox. ;)
     
  19. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    Shia Lebouf is crazy...

    Trump is just doing the job that the American people elected Him to do. ;)
     
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  20. Joe C

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    It doesn't matter what Trump does because there's always going to be some one unhappy about who Trump is and how anything he does will be criticized, mostly from those on the left side of the spectrum
     
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