WANING I bought a knockoff version of the Blackberry....It's called a Dingleberry....Don't buy one it's a piece of ****! Seriously.......Naw Been away from "siteing" for a few years, trying to put up a PPV site, Crash cours'in PHP. I said a couple years ago: "Database abstraction? Why would anyone need that?" "Namespaces? Why would anyone need that?" "Design patterns? What are those?" "Security? If it's a problem, we'll fix it later." Unfortunately, I've found all of these are true portraits of the PHP world. PHP: Ten million n00bies can't be wrong huh? ps I like to dress like wilson wilson jr and hide behind fences (see profile pic)