1. MIMMO61

    MIMMO61 MDL Senior Member

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    #22381 MIMMO61, Mar 31, 2022
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    Thanks for the attention.
    I processed the updated ISO (build 593) with ToolKit and re-applied RemovePkgsList, in theory it shouldn't detect any app, instead there were some apps.

    Code:
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            MSMG ToolKit - Remove Windows Components Using Package List
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    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ####Starting Removing Windows Components Using Package List####################
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        Image                    : Install.wim
        Image Index              : 1
        Image Architecture       : x64
        Image Version            : 10.0.22000.593.0
    
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    ####Removing Windows Components Using Package List#############################
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    ===========================[Install.wim, Index : 1]============================
    
    MSMG ToolKit Commandline Helper
    Version: 1.0.5508.0
    
    Image Version: 10.0.22000.593
    
    
    Component : ContentDeliveryManager
    
    Removing Package files...
    Modifying Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : MapControl
    
    Removing Package files...
    Modifying Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : PeopleExperienceHost
    
    Removing Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : RetailDemoContent
    
    Removing Package files...
    Modifying Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : SkypeORTC
    
    Removing Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : WindowsMixedReality
    
    Removing Package files...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : WindowsStoreClient
    
    Removing Package files...
    Modifying Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    Component : XboxGameCallableUI
    
    Removing Package files...
    Loading Image Registry...
    Modifying Package Registry...
    Unloading Image Registry...
    
    The operation completed successfully.
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ####Finished Removing Windows Components Using Package List####################
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    ===============================================================================
    
     
  2. graver.x

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  3. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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    Yes, it can be that way too.

    The only reason I don't make this suggestion, with the removal of the ContentDeliveryManager, is that I don't know what the situation will be for those who don't use the autounatended.xml file for installation.
    I never tested it again, since I was using the 1909 in 2021-10. So currently I don't know if this causes problems or not.
    Needed for: Out of Box Experience (OOBE) & Microsoft Account.

    It's up to each one of us to do our own testing.
     
  4. RafhaCorreia

    RafhaCorreia MDL Novice

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    Thanks. So let's wait.
     
  5. graver.x

    graver.x MDL Senior Member

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    #22386 graver.x, Apr 1, 2022
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    No, removing ContentDeliveryManager does not violate the installation process itself at the OOBE stage, in the case when the installation is performed without using autounattend.xml .

    The removal of ContentDeliveryManager obviously violates only Microsoft's plans to impose some of its undesirable content on us.
    In addition to removing this component. like many other users, I also disable all cloud functions of the consumer (CloudContent) in my practice:

    Disable_CloudContent.reg:
    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CloudContent]
    "DisableWindowsSpotlightFeatures"=dword:00000001
    "DisableWindowsConsumerFeatures"=dword:00000001
    "DisableSoftLanding"=dword:00000001
    "DisableCloudOptimizedContent"=dword:00000001
    To the question of dependencies:
    And also I remove AADBrokerPlugin, WindowsFirewall, OOBENetworkCaptivePortal and
    OOBENetworkConnectionFlow (removing them does not require the mandatory use of autounattend.xml)
    and recently I have also tested the removal of the OOBE component itself (this is now easy to do in NTLite free), and after that I use autounattend.xml for installation. With all this, I constantly use a Microsoft account, use the Office software package, connected to OneDrive, and use the Store without any problems (the StorePurchaseApp component has also been removed) to install some FREE applications, add-ons and their further updates (the WindowsFirewall service must be enabled).
    I also delete Wallet and Payments packages using a custom list using the DISM method.

    Thus, all the functionality necessary for me works well. This is thoroughly tested by me for Win10 v1809 -v2004-v20H2-v21H1-v21H2 and Win11 v21H2.

    I agree with you, friend, each of us, using the recommendations of even the most experienced fellow testers, should pay maximum attention to our own testing results, because in the end, it is very important for each of us that the operating system, as a very complex tool with a wide variety of settings, is used on a huge variety of hardware configurations, fully met the individual requirements of each of us in her work.

    Therefore, once again I will note - I am very glad that we have the opportunity to share our experience and observations here!
    :cheers:
     
  6. Tiger-1

    Tiger-1 MDL Guru

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    @graver.x congrats :good3:
     
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  7. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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    So, removing the ContentDeliveryManager only breaks the OOBE for 1909 18362 and 19363.
    I abandoned testing for 1909 when I decided to migrate to v21H2 19044. In case anyone does the test, it will be interesting.
    I used, very rarely, some inboxapps (like PPI Projection - App to project the screen to a Wireless Display (ConnectApp)), present in it that were not present in the 17763.
    I think it is a big loss that they discontinued this app. I don't even know if there is another native app that does its function.
    If there is, let me know. I know there are non-native alternatives.

    I was so disappointed in v2004-v20H2-v21H1 that I stayed for years on the 1909 18363, until all these details, in v21H2 19044, were running smoothly. I think this is due to some peculiarity of a friend's Gamer Hardware that I was testing. They used to give a lot of glitch in games, and in the build 18363 they didn't, very stable. Now, at build 19044, on the same hardware (AM3+ with AMD FX-9590), there are no more such problems. However, at this level of maturity of 19044 I believe that all the previous ones also do not have the problems I experienced.
     
  8. n3ro97

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    #22389 n3ro97, Apr 1, 2022
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    So then how can I remove packages like this ones?

    MicrosoftWindows.Client.CBS
    MicrosoftWindows.UndockedDevKit
    Microsoft.Windows.CloudExperienceHost

    Is it even possible with DISM or just other manual ways.
     
  9. ptizz

    ptizz MDL Novice

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    Hi all. Where can I download the 19041 languagepack?
     
  10. kusosaito

    kusosaito MDL Junior Member

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    hi there
    do you plan to add the ability to completely cut / disable from the image - need for OS to have SecureBoot and TPM 2.0?
    I just see that custom OS builds begun to appear with this cut
     
  11. tefor

    tefor MDL Senior Member

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    I am removing all packages and applying all tweaks
    When i am using Version 12.0 and previous versions , my computer boots in 7 seconds after installing LTSC 2021
    but with using 12.1 my computer boots in 3 minutes and 28 seconds after installing LTSC 2021 and it is really so boring
    So what is wrong with version 12.1 ?
     
  12. EDK-Rise

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    #22393 EDK-Rise, Apr 2, 2022
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  13. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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    Someone who is using w11 with "Cortana" removed and "Windows Search" present. Can you tell me if "Windows Search" works correctly?
     
  14. MIMMO61

    MIMMO61 MDL Senior Member

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    MIMMO61 MDL Senior Member

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    Yes!
    in both W10 and W11
    I have to specify that I used for W10 Toolkit 11.7 and for W11 Toolkit 11.9
     
  16. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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    #22397 inTerActionVRI, Apr 3, 2022
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2022
    Someone who is using w11 with cortana removed. Can you tell me if Windows Search works correctly?
    This is for empty start Menu.
    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PolicyManager\current\device\Start]
    "ConfigureStartPins"="{ \"pinnedList\": [ {  } ] }"
    "ConfigureStartPins_ProviderSet"=dword:00000000
    
    I have tried inserting some program, but it didn't work properly.
    It seems to release the bid pinouts.

    But it would look like this:

    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PolicyManager\current\device\Start]
    "ConfigureStartPins"="{ \"pinnedList\": [ { \"desktopAppId\": \"Explorer\" }, { \"desktopAppId\": \"IExplorer\" }, { \"desktopAppId\": \"MSEdge\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.WindowsStore_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Amazon.comServicesLLC.AmazonAppstore_bvztej1py64t8!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.WindowsCalculator_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.MicrosoftStickyNotes_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.WindowsNotepad_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.WindowsSoundRecorder_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.Windows.Photos_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.WindowsTerminal_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"MicrosoftCorporationII.WindowsSubsystemForAndroid_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"MicrosoftCorporationII.WindowsSubsystemForLinux_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" } ] }"
    "ConfigureStartPins_ProviderSet"=dword:00000000
    
    Note that the program types are defined differently, for Desktop and UWP apps.

    What you want must be so:
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PolicyManager\current\device\Start]
    "ConfigureStartPins"="{ \"pinnedList\": [ { \"desktopAppId\": \"Explorer\" }, { \"desktopAppId\": \"MSEdge\" }, { \"desktopAppId\": \"EdgeChromium\" }, { \"packagedAppId\": \"Microsoft.WindowsTerminal_8wekyb3d8bbwe!App\" } ] }"
    "ConfigureStartPins_ProviderSet"=dword:00000000
    [/code]

    For new additions, just keep posting:
    Code:
    , {\"desktopAppId\": \"Name of your program\"}
    
    or
    Code:
    , {\"packagedAppId\": \"Name of your program!App\"}
    
    And finally, test.

    When I tested it, it didn't work, because I had added things that were not present in the ISO, and then I didn't test it again. I've been leaving it empty, even though it's working well, I end up putting in what I need manually.

    A few years ago when the empty mode didn't work, I would leave it empty for a few days, and those suggestions would disappear. I'm guessing two things there:
    1. there must be a telemetry there. It verifies that there is no interest in those apps and removes the suggestions.
    2. there must be a post-installation timer for these suggestions.

    The sure thing is that they are only installed when clicked.

    But I'm going to do a test now and I'm going to take the time to check that out too.


    Note:
    Access Settings by Right Click in Start Menu


    EDITED: For new additions, just keep posting:
     
  17. inTerActionVRI

    inTerActionVRI MDL Expert

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    Look again. I have corrected the examples.