News-Discussions on Windows 8 Beta Sources WinUnleaked and others

Discussion in 'Windows 8' started by FaiKee, Nov 14, 2011.

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  1. makzk

    makzk MDL Member

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    True also the Ribbon UI appeared by first time on Office, and might be based on it style, for a harmony on design.
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  2. Shenj

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    #3162 Shenj, Feb 10, 2012
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    Ribbon is making use of the Titlebar, the Titlebar makes Ribbon work.

    But they should certainly use the same Design for windows or at least a new nice Theme

    Here in case you forgot why the titlebar is needed.
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  3. bchat

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    Will be interesting to see how "the ribbon" appears in the next edition of Windows and Office.
     
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  4. makzk

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    I hope you do it. In that way you can get higher that number :biggrin:
    Share, share, share! Hehe
     
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  5. ezequiel64

    ezequiel64 MDL Novice

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    Canouna, is the build 8250 the final beta?
     
  6. makzk

    makzk MDL Member

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    #3166 makzk, Feb 10, 2012
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  7. PGHammer

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    And who says that ARM will only be for tablets and slates?

    I noticed the three ARM devices in the video - only one was a true tablet/slate. (While one could be a tablet docked, the other reminded me of nothing less than a netbook/Ultrabook-competitor.)

    That means that WinRT is not just touch devices (or even unique to ARM). It is CPU-neutral and also UI-neutral. (While Win32 is also UI-neutral, it is not, and never has been, CPU-neutral.)

    WinRT is for lighter-weight applications; however, it is not exclusively-ARM (and it need not use the Metro design language specifications, either). However, for maximum hardware compatibility, WinRT should use the Metro design specifications.

    However, some applications are flatly unsuitable for WinRT. Access (and other database applications). Outlook. Heavier gaming, such as shooters and MMOs.

    Therefore, Win32 has uses. However, long-battery-length devices (such as those running on ARM) won't - largely by design - support Win32.

    ARM devices (regardless of formfactor) will be application-limited by supported APIs; however, x86/x64 hardware (both new and existing hardware - traditional and non) won't.

    Theoretically, you could create a Windows 8 Starter Edition limited to WinRT support. (No idea if Microsoft has such a plan.)
     
  8. tN0

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    #3168 tN0, Feb 10, 2012
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    I didn't forget that. I was never a fan of the cluttered Title bar. There are too many icons in the left corner while at the same time the right side of the Ribbon is empty. The first layout of the first beta was much much better, IMO:
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  9. tN0

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    Microsoft said that in theory every type of PC could be ARM, from tablet to workstation. But ARM hardware is known to be very small and very efficient. So it makes the most sense to build tablets with ARM, or maybe even some ultrabooks to compete with Google's Chromebooks.

    Another important point is that Windows On ARM will not be sold separately. Only pre-installed on hardware. Just like Windows Phone. Who would buy a large notebook/desktop/workstation based on ARM architecture when they could not change the OS and lose compatibility to Win32 apps? So, yes WOA is not limited to touch devices. But I'm sure we will not see large and expensive ARM PCs.
     
  10. ricktendo64

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    I wonder if viruses that affect x86/x64 Windows will also affect ARM Windows?

    BTW its nice that they finally banned that troll 8beta, I was getting sick of his s#%t
     
  11. tN0

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    If it's created using WinRT it may even be dangerous to Windows Phone 8. Who knows...
     
  12. PGHammer

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    I mentioned netbook/Ultrabook-competition (the response to Samsung's existing SERIES 7, but with an ARM CPU for longer battery life).

    There will be *stratification* based on usage-patterns and user needs - however, it won't be entirely based on OS support (as it is today). In the case of Windows 8, it won't be based on OS support at all - but on API support, user needs, and what the user wants. (That's how it stands niche-ification completely on-end.)
     
  13. Shenj

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    A Virus is a binary, it has to be compiled for the correct architecture,a x86 virus will not affect ARM Windows, comn please think about it for a second.
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  14. Shenj

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    There are probably no plans to bring out ARM Devices with multiple versions of windows, as you will not be able to install Windows on it yourself as they will not release the ARM Installer public (ideally they would not do that, makes zero sense to allow it). So you will end up with Windows for ARM, thats it' no Starter, no Pro not Ultimate... x86/x64 is another story though, but i have my doubts in the Starter Edition for Europe/USA market.
     
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    #3175 arseny92, Feb 10, 2012
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    arm/woa is reduced x86 so can affect partially, but yes, won't affect if fully built as native x86 if the instructions that were used, aren't available on woa.
    do an ibw image as you do today with Embedded?
     
  16. PGHammer

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    I was referring to non-ARM - basically, a replacement for the Windows 7 Starter of today.
     
  17. Shenj

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    a x86 Binary won't start on WoA.

    Whats the point of the image? This was obviously meant as such that there will be no sold version of WoA (for obvious reasons), meaning there is no point in multiple versions, meaning WoA is just WoA and comes as one single Version thats on every ARM Device (for obvious reasons)
     
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  18. thomas13202

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    no more waisting space with useless pics and vids jeeze enough crap up here allready. what we need is the iso nothing else
     
  19. Alphawaves

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    Please post accordingly!!!
     
  20. Missile

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    @thomas13202: With your first three and only posts being so negative, if the trend continues you'll probably find yourself banned.