News/Discussions On Windows Upcoming Products: W8.1Update-x;W365;WThreshold;Win9

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  1. BAV0

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  2. bdsams

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    The difference here is that this is not an app like that, it is build into Windows Update. Shall see if it stays though.
     
  3. Chibi ANUBIS

    Chibi ANUBIS MDL Chibi Developer

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    Windows 9 Preview come out the 30 september ?
     
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  4. TheSubaru2012

    TheSubaru2012 MDL Senior Member

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    Definitely a great feature for testers, at least we kill more windows problems! :clap:
     
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  5. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    Windows is probably the only piece of software that i'd proudly beta-test to help out MS.
    I've been using Windows since 3.0.
     
  6. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    Yes, I recently discovered the ia32 uefi boot support. It seems like it only works if your processor is 32-bit.
    So, it's not something most people would ever be able to use unless they have a tablet or something.

    I didn't know that it already runs the 32-bit programs in emulated mode.
    I guess that makes sense. What doesn't make sense, to me, is why they have 32-bit and 64-bit versions of all the operating system programs.
    That just seems wasteful.

    Thx for the info arseny92, you're always helpful.
     
  7. Hadron-Curious

    Hadron-Curious MDL Guru

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    It is 8 days to go. I think that is a press release date. I think we are going to expect the general public to get it around October.
     
  8. BAV0

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    #2408 BAV0, Aug 22, 2014
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  9. Hadron-Curious

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    Yes, you are correct. I mean to say a month and 8 days to go for the press release, while the general public will likely get the preview in October.
     
  10. arseny92

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    Not just programs, this includes the x86 system itself. If you install a x86 (or, more correctly, ia32) system on a processor that supports x64 extensions, due to the belief that it might be better "because you may have less than 2^32 GB of RAM", this is totally wrong, because since the system is ia32, it is being v86-emulated as a whole.
    Therefore my mom's laptop has x64 system installed despite only having 3GB of memory. It runs better on the x64 processor, than the ia32 system that it shipped with originally

    x64 systems have both ia32 (wow64) and x64 versions of all programs and tools for compatibility purposes. Say you have an old ia32 third party photo viewer app that has a "mspaint.exe %1" link in it for opening images for edit. IA-32 apps cannot access, nor see, neither use any resources available in the extended instruction set, so they cannot call 64-bit executables nor libraries, etc, and such a call would fail. Therefore the system makes it look for the app to think that it looks for mspaint.exe in system32, while unbeknownst to the app, redirecting the call to the SysWOW64 folder, where ia32 assemblies are located. Same for the Program Files (x86) folder, the Software\WOW6432Node registry hive, etc.
     
  11. Enigma256

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    Not emulated. Virtualized resources and environment. The instructions are still natively run on the CPU. The WOW64 virtualization behaves more like a compatibility shim than what most people think of as virtualization. Contrast that to mechanisms of running old 16-bit programs on the NT, where there was an actual virtual machine. With WOW64, a 32-bit program that is aware of WOW64 can request that these various compatibility shims be disabled, like the registry redirection and the file system redirection, at which point it's left to fend for itself as far as loading DLLs from the right path, etc.
     
  12. murphy78

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    Yah I think we both meant virtualized when we were talking about emulation. I've been playing too many old video games on the PC. My lingo is off :)
     
  13. mario92

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    So, Cortana will very probably be available in Technical Preview.

    Also, new icons are deployed in recent builds.
     
  14. PaulDesmond

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    icons thing it mouth watering but you have proof, no?
     
  15. mario92

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    #2415 mario92, Aug 22, 2014
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    Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots to show, I only am forwarding what I was told from my source.
    I know I risk being named troll but I'll take that risk because I trust my source.

    Most of the icons are still Vista-like but it seems like shell32.dll icons are refreshed. Because even I didn't saw any visual evidence I can't tell how do they look like.

    EDIT: Of course, old icons are there because of legacy reasons.

    Brad Sams could've seen new icons in WTP.
     
  16. FaiKee

    FaiKee Misinformation spreader

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    I still couldn't see the difference, I could upgrade win7 7600 to win7SP1 7601 thru WU, no? Also, I doubt if MS would release publicly the pre-release builds. :popcorn:

    Sorry, no. :p
     
  17. Hadron-Curious

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    #2417 Hadron-Curious, Aug 23, 2014
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    Perhaps. Technically, nobody really knows if Cortana will be on the developer preview.

    It would be wise to do that with imageres.dll than shell32.dll because most of the important icons are located in that particular direct link library.
     
  18. bdsams

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    The only icon I have seen in the WTP is the trash can...and it hasnt changed.
     
  19. ZacB

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    Incorrect. No new icons.

    Icons are usually one of the last things they implement, that's *if* they implement them. Last time I checked new icons wasn't in the plan for Threshold.
     
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    #2420 d1glow, Aug 23, 2014
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    SirWzor,

    bla bla bla....."мы все ещё надеемся выпустить Win 8.1 Update 2 в первой половине сентября..." - это будет новая сборка

    действительно, превью билд Windows 9 собран, проходит обкатку у ряда OEM партнеров, в паблик будет предоставлена адаптированная сборка

    по планам Sign-Off Windows 9 RTM намечено до конца 2014 года ... известен лишь промежуток времени когда это может состоятся

     
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