Can anyone really expect the average user to use anything but defaults in every piece software? I'm so glad I'm not doing end user support.
lol ... monitoring a lot of "guests" on my site still using W8 (and FF 26 or such) instead of updated to 8.1, not to mention them surfing with W7. Coming back to these W8 users, I can easily imagine that some (many) of them are not aware of later issues of that operating system. Here I easily can see a good bunch of ppl complaining about the Start menu not knowing about new iteration of that software with comfortable shut-down buttons etc ....
People will complain about the start menu not working like W7 or XP. Surely there will be devs who will create a W7 menu for W9
sure they seem to listen now but it definitely will look different to that what we know out of 7 or even XP times. Beyond that I guess they'll bring it up to a kind of perfection in terms of customizing
There already is a made up Windows 7 menu its called Classic shell although its not bad it causes my Windows 8.1 to blue screen (doesn't like being modded)
That's why i use StartIsBack+, as it offers the option to have the 'All Programs' menu in fly-out style, like in XP, not the way Win 7 offers it (can understand the complaints after XP/Vista). EDIT:==================== Seeing complaints about other replacements makes me smile . There's nothing nearly as 'native' as Tichiys solution .
People don't seem to read my earlier posts correctly in regarding to how Windows servicing work, and the post where I asked to not confuse between builds from different branches. Even the //build/ demo was actually a test KB qfe update to add the start-menu component/feature. It can easily have a component dependency to explorer with all the required binaries (if you correctly did read the servicing explanation "tree" regarding components I was explaining here earlier). And with agile development and continuous integration, build component selection comes easily up to the point of Zac's post quote above: one build has it and other does not.
Tks arseny, but here then we would need to make 2 assumptions: Assumption 1: The start menu is a hidden feature, only available to certain branch builds, and this was assumed based nothing to prove. Assumption 2: Even if assumption 1 is true(which nobody knows), then the various builds seen by my friend, VB(PCBeta guy) and Brad all don't have this feature. I don't know about Redmond, but in (smaller) MS offices in Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, MS guys knows each other and constantly chatting on QQ, we-chat, whatsapp, or whatever, basically in their closed circles, there is no secret.
What is your 'guess' can I ask regarding Brad and his reasoning to not elaborate? I can't say much more regarding the subject. Me and my sources (developers and non) all say the same, Start Menu and a few new desktop features will be present in the preview coming soon. It was included in 9819, and the Start Menu has been ready and working for months now (I first heard about a new Start Menu 'working' in February). Them removing it just before the preview makes absolutely no sense, especially as the upcoming preview is literally designed to convince Enterprises that Windows is still a viable option. I'm yet to see a 982x build, and I'm also yet to hear of anything that has changed since I last did see it. I spoke with a source of mine earlier (asking about the preview event) and nothing has changed. Admittedly I have noticed Brad going quiet about recent events, perhaps he's trying to find multiple sources to confirm whatever he has (much like most journalists do). I haven't heard from him, so I have no idea what he's seen (or not seen). About the 100% thing? I'm confident. It just doesn't seem logical to release a preview for enterprises which doesn't include the most requested enterprise feature. EDIT: Not sure how much you know about your sources and what they tell you, but perhaps your source only has access to a certain branch? I know for fact that not all branches include desktop features. Perhaps your source is only seeing the non-desktop focused branches? Hello arseny. This is what I was saying pretty much about features jumping in and out of builds. Each branch is different, some focus on specific features whilst others do other things. As said above, some branches don't even include new desktop enhancements, but are working on the Modern UI side of things.
Nah, Zac, if Brad chose not to talk about it, I won't go further, let's just wait for MS announcement, OK? I really don't see any point in debating while I do respect your sourcings.
It could just be a test feature package. You know how we add the data deduplication feature in win8.x by using some components of the server image? Well, perhaps they add this start menu feature on certain test machines in a similar manner. We don't really know how they do it. All we can do is guess, unless someone leaks an iso we can comb over.
I respect your sourcing's too. Whatever happens. I'm sure the end result will be a happy one for everyone.
I am already finding websites purporting to have W9 beta available for download. Of course there is a catch, you have to fill out an online survey. My advice to anyone coming across such sites, don't do it. Who knows what you are really downloading?
Bump .... None of you guru's have a workaround for the basic flaw that file explorer has no wheel mouse intelligence? Need to look for a 3rd party start menu and file explore . Thunderbird does it with grace, how about you outlook guys? Regards