Not Genuine After 1 Week. Why?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by puffyduff, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    Why in Yen's thread you don't believe the poster posts the correct info and here you do?

    The LOG file will show all, and the QT will finish off the info.
     
  2. mxman2k

    mxman2k MDL Developer

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    Regarding the 3 day 'trial' is a bit of a strange one, as after those 3 days it then gives you the other 27 days to activate and the countdown progresses until 0 days then you get the 'Not genuine' nagging. It has in my testing, there is nothing in MRP that alters anything system wise regarding the grace. :g:

    If you look carefully at that line about the 3 days it says "3 days to automatic activation" or words to that effect. The OS after 3 days will try to activate via online if that fails it goes into the extra 27 days grace.

    If there is no way to activate win7 legally via a slic then the project ignores the activation routine and carries on with any branding...

    If the SLIC was present the only way really to loose activation after the MRP has ran and has activated win 7 is either a bios update that removes the SLIC (only for a modded version - or a change of SLIC type ie say from ASUS slic to a DELL slic) or something has removed the key ie by slmgr /upk...

    There has been reports on the internet about some genuine activated systems becoming deactivated after a while. I personally had this happen a couple of years ago, in my case it was because someone had 'cloned' my key somehow. As i had proof of buying the key from PCWorld at the time, Microsoft reactivated mine and blocked the other cloned one.
     
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  3. s1ave77

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    You forget Initial Grace where the system is activated too :cool2:.
     
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  4. mehdibleu

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    that is exactly what i think.
     
  5. mehdibleu

    mehdibleu MDL Expert

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    Yen's thread ? who's Yen ? and what are you talking about ?
     
  6. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    I give up.....
     
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  8. mehdibleu

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    Sorry but i didn't get that, could you please be more explicit ?
    if i'm correct, the grace period lasts 30 days, do you mean that the activation has been done after the grace period is finished ?
     
  9. s1ave77

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    #29 s1ave77, Feb 26, 2018
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    You tend to ASSUME too much :cool2:.

    A system in Initial Grace is like it's [redacted for better understanding] ACTIVATED for that period (although it will not show it in System Pane but when checking via slmgr.vbs by stating OOBGrace, TL;DR is considered genuine). The system will start to nag if the period is about to end but only goes into Notification when the period ends.

    EDIT: System will also pass Online Validation in that state.
     
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  10. Carlos Detweiller

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    As far as the "30 days vs. 3 days" issue is concerned, it's all up to one registry key:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\SoftwareProtectionPlatform\Activation
    The value is named "Manual" (32bit DWORD). If it's set to 0x00000001, the system shows 30 days grace and does NOT attempt automatic activation. 0x00000000 (or not existing, AFAIK) means "attempt automatic activation after 3 days and then at regular intervals".

    During Setup, Windows 7 usually has an "Attempt automatic activation" checkbox for setting that value. If you enter the key and leave the checkbox enabled, Windows will attempt automatic activation online after 3 days. If it's unchecked, it won't.
    Now the fun part: Not entering a key and pressing Skip does not set the Manual setting to 0x1. You must actually leave the key empty, uncheck the box and press OK. Very intuitive.


    (Disclaimer: All information provided from memory. Memory may not always function properly. ;))
     
  11. Tito

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    Wait, what?

    I 'assume' you're talking about the initial grace period along with 3 additional rearms? In case of Windows 7, it is not activated then, but regarded as genuine.

    And now @Carlos Detweiller explained it perfectly.
     
  12. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller Emperor of Ice-Cream

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    A system in grace is not really activated, but grace is a Genuine state, so it's treated like it was activated. Think of it as a 30 day evaluation version.
     
  13. mehdibleu

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    so you mean that the activation has been done on their machines after the grace period finished. Correct ?
    Oh God, i didn't know Yen was admin here :p, sorry Yen, i hope you won't blame me for that.
     
  14. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller Emperor of Ice-Cream

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    Well, if MRP would simply set Manual to 0x1 in case it cannot activate the system, all confusion could be avoided. That registry value has no effect on activated machines, of course.
     
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    #35 s1ave77, Feb 26, 2018
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    So my comment wasn't completely wrong, didn't want to complicate it :D. For the user it's more or less the same.

    EDITED my post to better reflect this :cool2:.
     
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  16. mxman2k

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    I was about to mention that i can easily add that reg 'tweak' for win7 - will do for next release (as just uploaded latest version).
     
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  17. mehdibleu

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    i think what he means by that is that normal user can normally work on his windows session during 30 days and once this period is finished, you will be under the obligation to do the activation.
     
  18. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller Emperor of Ice-Cream

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    Yes. It simply doesn't make any sense to me if automatic activation is even attempted with the default key, at least for 7 and 8.x. Win 10 digital licenses changed that, of course.
     
  19. s1ave77

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    Activation is only attempted if a SLIC or MSDM is detected, else that part is skipped.
     
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  20. mxman2k

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    added the reg entry if any OS below 8.0, (including servers as they can use SLIC as well), into MRP so it will set that to prevent that 3 day msg... :)
     
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