[PLEASE READ] Microsoft and Privacy

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  1. beamslider

    beamslider MDL Senior Member

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    Maybe somewhere behind the scene but it is cut off. All it has is desktop search
     
  2. manix

    manix MDL Junior Member

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    Are you sure about this ? The full app is present, including the voice recognition software. And you can't delete the stuff because it is being used by the search UI.
    The truth is Cortana is present in all versions, it is always enabled and you can't really tell which parts of the app are used.
     
  3. fkar

    fkar MDL Recognized Advisor

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    Yes, Cortana has complete control over the hardwares and softwares.
     
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  6. MysTikAL3

    MysTikAL3 MDL Senior Member

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  7. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    @eko_p: I'd like to start by saying welcome to MDL. :)

    Yes. Users can choose not to opt in and install Windows 10 Home edition. But, in a year from now, It will be installed in pretty much every MS product.

    I am recommending that users stay with Windows 7 and 8.

    Actually, no. They don't violate their own EULA, they are keeping to their promise of snooping and collecting your personal data. They are also sharing your personal info with (and selling it to) God knows who. We can't sue them because you are free to opt out of the EULA and Privacy Agreement. If you choose to place yourself in harms way, then you can't hold them responsible.

    Linux might be a viable alternative for some, but not for all. Some of us are locked into Windows because the tools that we use are only available on the Windows platform.

    Perhaps for safe and fairly secure web surfing, Linux may be suitable. Time will tell.

    :MJ
     
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    MysTikAL3 MDL Senior Member

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    #348 MysTikAL3, Aug 25, 2015
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    Exactly to the core of the problem...thanks...:)

    Linux can definitely be set up for a great system for browsing, email, etc....:yes:

    And for any tools/software we have that can't run on linux, we do have the option of using 7 or 8.1.
    In order to use most of those tools your system doesn't need to be online at all.
    Further, windows 7 can easily be locked down and Windows updates are under the users full control for your apps that require internet.
    So set up a separate 7 or 8.1 system only for your online apps and gaming, etc..

    Your personal data doesn't even need to be on your system drive at all, so it won't be touched/mined/rifled through, sold to 3rd parties etc.. ... if you stay away from Windows 10 altogether.

    Possibly this will force M$ to change???
    But can any user ever trust M$ again in the future?

    No, not me, not ever again...:eek:
    :)
     
  9. YessMann

    YessMann MDL Member

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    Warning: win 10 may leak yr data to anti-pirate org! BT bans win10!

    TRANSLATION by Google
    Now part of the BT website , for fear of user data was compromised, banned the use of Windows 10 users to enter, and take this decision is the first iTS website , the other two BT website : FSC and BB are also considering taking the same action .

    iTS website said: " Perhaps you've been on the Windows 10 heard privacy policy , data Microsoft collected more than uploaded to Microsoft servers , will also share data to anti-piracy organizations, such as the user enters MarkMonitor.Windows 10 iTS website , will be redirected to the page of a movie , the film describes the severity of the Windows 10 privacy issues . Maybe someday Microsoft will release a not collect user data version of Windows 10 , but before that , Windows 10 users will be prohibited from entering . "

    ORIGINAL 正體中文
    現在部份 BT 網站,因為擔心用戶數據遭到洩露,開始禁止使用 Windows 10 的用戶進入,而取先作出這一決定是 iTS 網站,另外兩個 BT 網站:FSC 和 BB 也正在考慮採取同樣的行動。

    iTS 網站表示:「或許你已經對 Windows 10 的隱私政策問題有所耳聞,微軟收集的數據,不止上傳到微軟服務器,還會將數據分享給反盜版組織,如 MarkMonitor。Windows 10 用戶進入 iTS 網站,將會被重定向到一個影片頁面,影片中描述了 Windows 10 隱私問題的嚴重性。也許未來某天微軟會發布一個不會收集用戶數據的 Windows 10 版本,但在這之前,Windows 10 用戶會被禁止進入。」
     
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  10. YessMann

    YessMann MDL Member

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    Is it the COST of free upgrade fr Win7/8 to Win10?! MS provides no free lunch!
     
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  11. MrMagic

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    Who is BT?

    BT the UK ISP?
     
  12. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    Switzerland Preparing to Sue Microsoft/Ban Sale of Windows 10

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/0...osoft_and_threatens_to_get_windows_10_banned/
     
  14. fkar

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  15. AlanPDW

    AlanPDW MDL Novice

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    Win10 and Privacy - Convert to Ubuntu and /or configure your firewall!

    There's already been some criss-cross about the Win 10 privacy issues on this forum.

    My response is to experiment with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, and I've found it to be a pretty good alternative! Very soon I'll be partitioning my hard disk and installing Ubuntu, leaving a small Win 8.1 installation which at some point I upgrade to Win 10

    If you can't do that (and I'll be doing this as well), get a hold of a net sniffer and see what TCP/UDP connections are being made in Win10 and Win 8.1. I've found a few dodgy ones today that can't be reverse DNS looked up, and a few which seem to terminate in Microsoft netspace e.g. 157.55.236.184 resolves to db3was1012039.wns.windows.com.

    These will be blocked at my firewall :D

    cheers

    Alan
     
  16. eko_p

    eko_p MDL Novice

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    I try to read Microsoft Privacy Statement

    To my understanding there's nothing wrong with the data that MS collect. I mean you're already share all that by using any social media, free e-mail acc, using your credit card etc ... even by pressing that little like button or browse the web you're sharing your data to multiple party. In some convenience store they even input your age to cash register before you make your payment to generate demographic data.
    Beside that MS can only know your personal info if you use their service like onedrive, hotmail, MS acc etc ... they know it not because they scan your HDD.

    In this digital era your data already exist somewhere and used for various purpose. If you want to avoid all that I'm afraid you have to follow John Connor live style :p
    I already accept that data sharing thing and all I can do now is use the service for my convenience. Beside Win10 I use MS acc, office 365, onedrive etc and I don't mind if they collect my data as long as I can keep using their service and keep my documents and photos sync between devices I'm happy :biggrin:

    Even me as self thought entrepreneur do a little business intelligence myself by keeping a record of client personal data, interest etc :biggrin:
     
  17. fkar

    fkar MDL Recognized Advisor

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    Keeping data is not an issue.

    Scanning PC for pirated games and software and sending them to anti piracy is surely an issue. What are they going to do by taking screenshots and recording key strokes? Is there any genuine reason?

    What you wrote are really common data collected in this digital world, but something that screws you deeply is unacceptable. :eek:
     
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  18. GrandGamer

    GrandGamer MDL Novice

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    Someone made a petition to let users opt out of all the spying in Windows 10.
     
  19. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    I said this in the original thread:

    It looks like I got My wish. On an International scale!

    :MJ
     
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  20. nodnar

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    time to slam a few backdoors..

    and i am glad that people woke up to m$` recent activities.
    these are not paranoiac reactions at all. it is about protecting
    people who clicked m$`12000 word eula, and then find some
    lawyers`email in their inbox about some piracy issue.
    they can go broke on that..
    the surprising thing is, that europe, germany, and the eu still
    remain silent. is that tipp in the making?
    i heartily detest linux; i have seen more crashes there than i have
    seen bsod screens in windose.. all in all it leaves me wondering how
    a market leader can take the decision to alieanate people in such a way.
    because we are left with few other options than to run linux now. do they
    have a competent marketing dept. i wonder?
    i have seen people talk about class actions here.. if you get one off the ground,
    the likelihood is that you will find yourself in situations that you would not wish
    on your worst ennemy. money still rules..
     
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