Questions regarding Windows 7 64, Bootable USB, Daz Loader, and UEFI

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  1. Vernan

    Vernan MDL Novice

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    #1 Vernan, Feb 12, 2014
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    Hello everyone.

    In a short time, I will be attempting a clean Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit installation from an iso on my new desktop. However, the motherboard I am using is a MSI FM2-A75MA-P33 that uses a UEFI Bios. From what I've read, Daz Loader doesn't like UEFI, nor GPT, so I'll have to format my hard drive into MBR using this

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    The loader doesn't work when the systems using GPT. The workaround is to pre-format your hard drive so that it uses MBR instead.
    
    
    From your BIOS select to boot the Windows DVD without UEFI, go to the repair options, select command prompt and then enter this:
    
    
    diskpart
    list disk
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert mbr
    create partition primary
    select partition 1
    format fs=ntfs quick
    

    I'm going to be using a USB drive (if I have to, I'll burn a DVD) to boot from and install the iso to my hard drive. Should I set Rufus to MBR or GPT for UEFI Computer? Or should I just be using MBR for BIOS/UEFI Computer?

    The hard drive (A WD1200) may or may not already have a Windows XP installation on it, but that shouldn't matter showing as how I'm formatting it, right?

    At the moment, my plan is:

    1. Scavenge the WD1200 from my old desktop and hook it up.
    2. Make the USB Bootable using Rufus (once I know the proper partition scheme) from the laptop I am currently posting from.
    3. Boot from USB and follow above instructions to get to command prompt and run aforementioned commands (So long as my mobo supports booting without UEFI, which I could not find if it did or not.)
    4. Install and use Daz Loader.

    Any and all help is appreciated, and I'd like to thank all of you for reading, and if anyone could link me to a proper (Non-piratebay iso, i.e. official iso from Microsoft, all of the links to them I could find are non-bootable) that would be greatly appreciated as well.
     
  2. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller MDL Spinning Tortoise

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    As long as you do not want to use a drive larger than ~2.2TB, use MBR for maximum compatibility with the Loader (check with the board manual if there is a Legacy or CSM switch in the UEFI firmware that you need to flip).

    Daz' Loader simply doesn't work for GPT partition style. If you want to use it you've no choice, anyway.

    Alternatives:
    1. Use Professional or Enterprise Edition and use KMS activation (MTK or other).
    2. WindSLIC. So far there are mixed experiences.

     
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  3. Tito

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    #3 Tito, Feb 12, 2014
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  4. Carlos Detweiller

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    I forgot, my bad. Most permanent, most invasive. :p
     
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  5. Vernan

    Vernan MDL Novice

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    #5 Vernan, Feb 12, 2014
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    I'm going to be using a 120gb, so this method should be fine based off of what you said. I'm going to try MBR for BIOS/UEFI Computers for the USB Drive first, just to be safe. If that doesn't work I'll do MBR for UEFI afterwards. Looking through the manual right now too. Would it be absolutely necessary to set it into Legacy for this to work, or does it just have to be MBR? And as long as I set both drives (Hard Drive I'm installing Windows 7 to, and the bootable USB Drive that's going to have the iso on it) to MBR everything should run and work smoothly/properly, correct?


    And thank you so much for the link, Tito. I can't believe I couldn't find that, but either way, thank you.

    Reading through the manual, I found that the UEFI has a built in EFI Shell that is accessible. That would just be a disguised Legacy switch, no?
     
  6. Carlos Detweiller

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    Unfortunately I don't own such a system. But it should be called Legacy or CSM. Without switching to Legacy/CSM (and disabling SecureBoot, if activated) you might not be able to boot the install media in Legacy mode. UEFI mode does allow only GPT, Legacy usually only MBR.

    EFI shell is unrelated to Legacy AFAIK.
     
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  7. Vernan

    Vernan MDL Novice

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    Just finished setting up the PC and installing Daz Loader. I followed my plan and kept everything you guys said in mind in the process, and according to System, Windows is activated! Thank you both for the help. Now I just have to be careful with Windows Updates..
     
  8. s1ave77

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    No need to be careful. You can go validate your system at Microsofts page :D. The Loader is not detectable that way :good3:.
     
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  9. EFA11

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    and ALL windows updates are fine. go hog wild and get them all!! hah (for real no joke :))
     
  10. saucedor

    saucedor MDL Novice

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    Hey I'm curious as to where you found the option "to boot the Windows DVD without UEFI"? I cant find it and therefor cant find the "repair options" that would lead to the command prompt. I can only find two different boot mode options [UEFI] or [LEGACY+UEFI], don't know where the "to boot the Windows DVD without UEFI" option is supposed to be.

    I'm doing a new build and didn't the realize UEFI bios of my motherboard (MSI Z87 -G45) would conflict DAZ's Windows Loader. i hope you can point me in the right direction, our motherboards' user interface should be pretty similar to each other. [h=1][/h]
     
  11. Daz

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    The easy way is to convert a Windows 7 ISO to a USB install and then delete bootmgr.efi from the USB.

    You could try using WindSLIC UEFI instead of the loader, but the results seem mixed with that.


    Tip: To access command prompt just select your language and keyboard layout and then hold SHIFT and press F10.
     
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  12. saucedor

    saucedor MDL Novice

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    Interesting, i had originally just burned the windows 7 ISO (along with Windows Loader) to a dvd, so as to not bother with Rufus and felt it would be a easier install.

    I don't understand how deleting bootmgr.efi from the usb AFTER install would do anything.
     
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  14. saucedor

    saucedor MDL Novice

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    sorry this is a bit late, but i was wondering whether i could just use daemon tools to manually remove the bootmgr.efi from the iso, then burn to dvd or usb, rather than using the Microsoft official tool?