[REQUEST/INFO] Windows 98 Editions for collectors

Discussion in 'Windows XP / Older OS' started by Threat, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. Threat

    Threat Lord of the Files

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    Matches what I got:

    Code:
      File: en_win98_se_with_plus!_oem.iso
    CRC-32: 0fff0609
       MD4: 1252cdc7c3a74d19859f3721c6897a0b
       MD5: 0ac28bfbb29df0b788482388f7d5b11d
     SHA-1: 2b68161b1fb2d905a6c05c82087fa1c20b47a8fd
     
  2. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    #103 pamonha, Nov 27, 2017
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    What tools you guys use to dump this discs?
    I've read people complaining about "not done correctly", what does this mean?

    Why I'm asking?
    If I use something like readcd, a tool found in cdrtools, it will give me a signature and with dd we get another and if I use the clone options, we have another signature.

    Code:
    ./readcd -v dev=0,0,0 f=brzw95b_usb.iso
    # MD4
    e6d261e6fe626b07fdf612961453656d  brzw95b_usb.iso
    # MD5
    eab47a2a132779b4ec623dc0c5615944  brzw95b_usb.iso
    # SHA1
    f84fef21fdcec53eb3c5a22b14fa95e9ca321013  brzw95b_usb.iso
    # SHA256
    b17ad6f991e94728f69def1ddd62c4eecfe6f213fe99014f8a1b69744d13b237  brzw95b_usb.iso
    # CRC32
    ade63c7b  brzw95b_usb.iso
    Code:
    dd if=/dev/sr0 of=brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    # MD4
    0e38b55659c7315c2ac90e4d4fc60f63  brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    # MD5
    eab47a2a132779b4ec623dc0c5615944  brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    # SHA1
    f84fef21fdcec53eb3c5a22b14fa95e9ca321013  brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    # SHA256
    b17ad6f991e94728f69def1ddd62c4eecfe6f213fe99014f8a1b69744d13b237  brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    # CRC32
    ade63c7b  brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    Code:
    ./readcd -v dev=0,0,0 -clone f=brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    # MD4
    83fe466851e566a69cb356c5a8d9f32e  brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    # MD5
    51d636494cc6f56b88d5758f7d34553a  brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    # SHA1
    ff92bfb4c0664877cf7a92ef871efdb45bb0e070  brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    # SHA256
    49be86608d2600b7fd5edb6439d1df52e4ec1265372716dc10a2327968d7320c  brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    # CRC32
    658f5bc5  brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    Code:
    sudo fdisk -lu brzw95b_usb.iso
    Disco brzw95b_usb.iso: 566,4 MiB, 593915904 bytes, 1159992 setores
    Unidades: setor de 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Tamanho de setor (lógico/físico): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Tamanho E/S (mínimo/ótimo): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Code:
    sudo fdisk -lu brzw95b_usb-2.iso
    Disco brzw95b_usb.iso: 566,4 MiB, 593915904 bytes, 1159992 setores
    Unidades: setor de 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Tamanho de setor (lógico/físico): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Tamanho E/S (mínimo/ótimo): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Code:
    sudo fdisk -lu brzw95b_usb-3.iso
    Disco brzw95b_usb-5.iso: 677 MiB, 709914624 bytes, 1386552 setores
    Unidades: setor de 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Tamanho de setor (lógico/físico): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Tamanho E/S (mínimo/ótimo): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    So, between copy and clone, witch one is correct?
     
  3. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    all iso dumping tools padd "00" bytes (sectores) at the end of the iso
    we call this 'overdumped'

    only UltraIso has an option
    "Enable ISO Filter"

    ON: UltraISO will detect size of ISO image by logical volume parameters on a CD/DVD disc (ISO-Header).
    OFF (default): Size reported by hardware (your CD/DVD-ROM drive) will be used to get an ISO image.

    you have to set this option to ON
    to avoid overdumping
     
  4. johnye_pt

    johnye_pt MDL Addicted

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    In Windows 10 I use UltraISO with option "Enable ISO Volume Filter" checked. ImgBurn does exactly the same but adds padding (extra 00 bytes) at the end of the image.

    The best way to check what tool might be working best is comparing the images with an hex editor. If they only differ at the end, the smaller image is probably the correct one. You should also check around 0x833D to confirm if the header mentions cdimage or if the program changed/added something to it.
     
  5. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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  6. johnye_pt

    johnye_pt MDL Addicted

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    #107 johnye_pt, Nov 27, 2017
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    UltraISO clones the CD byte by byte. The padding we talk about has nothing to do with the header or image content, it's just a bunch of 0x00 bytes that some programs add to the end of the image, usually around 300kb. Those bytes will change the final crc/md5/sha1 of the image so using a program that doesn't add them in the first place is better and safer than deleting them manually.

    So yes, if I create an image from a CD with UltraISO and you do the same to an identical CD, both images will have the same crc/md5/sha1. Heck, even if I copy the cd content to a folder, I can even recreate the original cd image down to the last byte if I use the correct cdimage version, parameters and boot sector.
     
  7. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    I believe that UltraISO is a copy tool, it doesn't do a 1:1 copy of the disc.
    For that you need something else, to do a 1:1 copy you need a tool to do a RAW copy of the 2352 bytes per sector of the disc, this tool only copy the 2048 bytes.
    This extra bytes are used for error detection and correction, because of that you'll have a very different hash signatures.
     
  8. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    #109 vanelle, Nov 27, 2017
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    we are talking about data cd / dvd based on ISO9660
    and not about Music CD
    therfore the sector sice is usual 2048 bytes ad the iso stucture based on ISO9660 structure

    UltraISO is a clone tool

    RAW copy of the 2352 bytes per sector is nonsense because data cd / dvd based on ISO9660

    for techical details see eg.
    Ecma-035
    Ecma-107
    Ecma-119
    udf260 (in case of osta UDF format extension)
    etc.


    EDIT:
    UltraIso with Enable ISO Filter option
    read the exact info from the Primary Iso Header
    - sector-size (usual 2048)
    - and Volume_Space (sector count)
    sector-size * Volume_Space = absolute size of the original Image in bytes
    the padded image is cut of at this exact ISO size (based on the PrimaryVolumeDescriptor of iso header)
     
  9. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    #110 pamonha, Nov 28, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2017
    Understood.

    I want to collaborate and share the floppy images and the CD images, but I don't want to copy this files, upload and someone say that my files are copied the wrong way. What options do I have on Linux?
     
  10. Threat

    Threat Lord of the Files

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    The trick is to recreate the same ISO that M$ would have generated when using there own tool CDIMAGE, which generates 2048 byte sector sizes.

    See if you have a normal English CD that is already dumped and try and get the same SHA1 as posted.

    Failing that, if you do a normal dump of one we can look at it and tell you the correct size/sha1 and you can work on reproducing that under Linux.
     
  11. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    Does anyone has a database or hash list for WIndows 2000 Pro US so I can run some tests?
    Or point me out to one?
    Code:
    Setupp.ini
    ExtraData=64766769766D6B766768820497EA44
    Pid=51873OEM
    Code:
    # MD4
    94c94bea36fe89a256af3c2f2aba1de3  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # MD5
    550bb80bd073c84f12f649aaa8ae473a  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # SHA1
    7f1d073523056e0f616f6d577f4bcb344883ef3b  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # SHA256
    3946aaabf9aeab48d0fd4a50107e40f5e5f9153065ba0e4097802cbc2817f232  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # CRC32
    ffffffff  W2POEM_EN.iso
    Code:
    sudo fdisk -lu /dev/sr0
    Disco /dev/sr0: 360,9 MiB, 378402816 bytes, 184767 setores
    Unidades: setor de 1 * 2048 = 2048 bytes Tamanho de setor (lógico/físico): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes
    Tamanho E/S (mínimo/ótimo): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes
     
  12. Threat

    Threat Lord of the Files

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    Code:
      File: W2POEM_EN.iso
    CRC-32: ffffffff
       MD4: 7b0e071c7f183b9877248cab9a4571ba
       MD5: 9cbf5a4f29418c5385c86664cee2d2ae
     SHA-1: 072f93598bae729e8abec10fb97f71abd3315948
    360 MB (378,075,136 bytes)

    It looks like yours has about 320kb of padding on the end.
     
  13. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    Thanks!
    Looks like we have a option for linux using free/open source software and WinISO might not be needed anymore. I've compiled the readcd tool for windows a few years ago and also it works with dd, all I had to do was to remove the extra padding at the end with the source code for the dtn tool I've post earlier.

    We have a match:
    Code:
    # MD4
    7b0e071c7f183b9877248cab9a4571ba  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # MD5
    9cbf5a4f29418c5385c86664cee2d2ae  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # SHA1
    072f93598bae729e8abec10fb97f71abd3315948  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # SHA256
    7a4f79f615a7a3629d00875a2c203dd9040fd868611fbd8680b4c1d04ef6a604  W2POEM_EN.iso
    # CRC32
    ffffffff  W2POEM_EN.iso
    Code:
    sudo fdisk -lu W2POEM_EN.iso
    Disco W2POEM_EN.iso: 360,6 MiB, 378075136 bytes, 738428 setores
    Unidades: setor de 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Tamanho de setor (lógico/físico): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
    Tamanho E/S (mínimo/ótimo): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
     
  14. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    #115 vanelle, Nov 28, 2017
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    if you can code in linux (c /c++)
    i can give you the header structure
    it is quite simple to code a small tool wich check the PrimaryVolumeDescriptor
    and read the 2 member
    Volume_Space_Sice (32bit Both-Byte order uint)
    Logical_Block_Sice_int (16bit Both-Byte order)

    Volume_Space_Sice * Logical_Block_Sice_int = size of the iso image

    rip the image with your tools and run this small tool to cut of the file at the right place
     
  15. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    Sorry, I don't code. Maybe the guys at the Linux forum could help to create a specific tool for this or, customizing the "readcd" to do all this at once with a switch.
    But the tool exist and I've posted as a source code, this tool rip off the padding at the end.

    You can use "readcd" to dump the ISO and run the tool to strip the zeros.
    Code:
    ./dtn win.iso
    For dd you can do the same:
    Code:
    sudo fdisk -lu /dev/sr0
    Disco /dev/sr0: 360,9 MiB, 378402816 bytes, 184767 setores
    Unidades: setor de 1 * 2048 = 2048 bytes Tamanho de setor (lógico/físico): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes
    Tamanho E/S (mínimo/ótimo): 2048 bytes / 2048 bytes
    Code:
    dd if=/dev/sr0 of=win.iso bs=2048 speed=20 count=378402816 status=progress
    376416256 bytes (376 MB, 359 MiB) copiados, 247,014 s, 1,5 MB/s
    184767+0 registros de entrada
    184767+0 registros de saída
    378402816 bytes (378 MB, 361 MiB) copiados, 247,924 s, 1,5 MB/s
    With readcd or dd is the exact same result after you strip the zeros.
     
  16. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    so we expect your
    iso images for your CD's / DVD's listed in #102 ;)
     
  17. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    Great!
    I'll not dump the ones already dumped like the W2k Pro, witch one from that list people doesn't have?
     
  18. vanelle

    vanelle MDL Expert

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    #119 vanelle, Nov 28, 2017
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    please all except
    072F93598BAE729E8ABEC10FB97F71ABD3315948 *[ENU] en_w2k_W2P_OEM_19991207-0xE0.iso

    and make a sha1 list for the iso's
    without the vali hash we can't compare what we have ;)

    TIA
     
  19. pamonha

    pamonha MDL Novice

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    All striped.

    Windows 95 JPN Upgrade 274,7 MiB, 288018432 bytes
    Code:
    # MD4
    84e2f5377f1b452ce86736dcaa7b51bc  WINDOWS_95U_JP.iso
    # MD5
    306acbfc7a20764e5fb18f5a84fe76e8  WINDOWS_95U_JP.iso
    # SHA1
    f84faba4d73d6206b9c4e7fe0dac9891e03e2600  WINDOWS_95U_JP.iso
    # SHA256
    0d746646ed5e98082c355fdb2f7c6e65bc9edbf2329b9692c186964bac5980aa  WINDOWS_95U_JP.iso
    # CRC32
    8049a316  WINDOWS_95U_JP.iso
    Windows 95 PT-BR OEM SR2 565,8 MiB, 593300480 bytes
    Code:
    # MD4
    1a139c5e2b43054d862d7991987919b9  BRZW95B_USB.iso
    # MD5
    a417339aa040ec63756d8a5133a026a0  BRZW95B_USB.iso
    # SHA1
    8f2c3d0b7da794fb0edaf4f1c4786469a29e6ea8  BRZW95B_USB.iso
    # SHA256
    bba688e0651a6d70a8998be69faf620d5f45c67de91caeb84f13a202fd27249d  BRZW95B_USB.iso
    # CRC32
    eb254de3  BRZW95B_USB.iso
    Windows 98 JPN OEM 312,1 MiB, 327215616 bytes
    Code:
    # MD4
    e3a9da30acab50c1249b79e96000b6cd  WINDOWS98_JP.iso
    # MD5
    6df3affe238b34efbb1c90aeec7a0c75  WINDOWS98_JP.iso
    # SHA1
    1b42db1c7b4902bf3e4404041050e05e4712e96a  WINDOWS98_JP.iso
    # SHA256
    cc9906dc4d0746fd2dd826810a3fad952367f83cfd960730baa0c8cae1adef83  WINDOWS98_JP.iso
    # CRC32
    07ba2c71  WINDOWS98_JP.iso
    Windows 98 SE PT-BR RETAIL 559,3 MiB, 586447360 bytes
    Code:
    # MD4
    6ef68d5d099324e6396042d2cf769672  WINDOWS98_BR.iso
    # MD5
    56a378638ba274b8474009c74bf8e7fc  WINDOWS98_BR.iso
    # SHA1
    4421c97cc25f43a211dde2a7aaf8729011409bcf  WINDOWS98_BR.iso
    # SHA256
    425664b672703bdf75a0b534210553db644d8b8bcc5b69803fbe9c29be4d1908  WINDOWS98_BR.iso
    # CRC32
    dc7608a7  WINDOWS98_BR.iso
    Windows ME RETAIL PT-BR 378 MiB, 396306432 bytes
    Code:
    # MD4
    21457d68f02eda7ca064079f951b7f99  WINDOWS_ME.iso
    # MD5
    b350ec6dbf319100d7a96aa1233d50e8  WINDOWS_ME.iso
    # SHA1
    51511d0f3ea683ccf4e3a488bfc141d90548e392  WINDOWS_ME.iso
    # SHA256
    1792ab124ca81b71352233fc39724927162211c2742e88a0f749b6c0cc8af9e2  WINDOWS_ME.iso
    # CRC32
    12f892a3  WINDOWS_ME.iso
    Windows XP RETAIL PT-BR 536,1 MiB, 562165760 bytes
    Code:
    # MD4
    0a21f6ba3379d01c778483d9ed56cfaa  X1APOEM_BR.iso
    # MD5
    d83ed52909293cac394176210bc992ba  X1APOEM_BR.iso
    # SHA1
    553e737ab36cc501275fe5e33405375d6f30b45a  X1APOEM_BR.iso
    # SHA256
    fce0eea87e603446f7421cb640279016278f8bd8ad19002b4ee4b8972f994e4c  X1APOEM_BR.iso
    # CRC32
    ffffffff  X1APOEM_BR.iso