Thanks for your reply, I will most definitely install LTSC 2021 as my first option on this new machine as I really don't feel Windows 11 is something for me at the moment. Watching a bunch of YouTube videos about Windows 11 does not really convince me either and I love the robustness from LTSC 2021. It's just that all of this talk about Intel's Thread Director and P-cores and E-cores is just so new to me that I get a little confused, and reading a bunch of Reddit posts, forum posts don't make me more clever on the matter. Some say Windows 10 works fine for them with the newer generation of Intel processors and some say that Windows 11 works better for them. I know for a fact that most of the people on this specific forum carries a great deal of knowledge.
Thanks for your answer, so based off the fact you run both Windows 10 and Windows 11 I take it that you don't have any issues running Windows 10 LTSC 2021 on your i7 13700K machine? Maybe I'm just overthinking things but I just want to be sure once I get my new machine ready but from what I have seen and heard so far there should be almost no issues.
Yes you are. So you think that would be a problem to run a OS updated to 2023 on a CPU from 2022? Perhaps an OS which is still current (I mean Win 10, not just W10 LTSC), still supported, still sold, and not yet in the long time support phase? Sometimes companies do weird things, but you guys think in even weirder ways
No sane minded person want to No sane minded person want to look for serious info on YT either. And using my time to offer a free right suggestion only to see that you take it seriously only after a useless YT video, is a bit offensive...
@acer-5100 Don't be offended, with all the information I have gathered I take your words quite seriously now. So all credit to you!
This is not a pay web site . And dissing perople that come here for help and advice is not good for the forum or your reputation / standing .
Not that you need another "yes", but I bought an HP Elite Mini G9 with a 13700T CPU over a week ago. Windows 10 LTSC 21H2 is running just fine on it, no issues (well, not Win 10 vs 13700 related anyway). I took a brief look at the included Windows 11, vomited, replaced the SSD with a better one and installed 10 LTSC
What about trying to understand what you read or quote? Before starting with your usual useless and misplaced comments?
I don't want any disputes here, I haven't upgraded or built a PC for over 5 years and all the talk about hybrid cores, P-cores and E-cores are all new to me so therefor my creation of this thread. Initially it sounded like you would have had issues with installing Windows 10 on a 12th/13th generation Intel processors and Windows 11 was must, obviously from the intel I have gathered Windows 10 will work just fine and that's all I wanted to know. If Windows 11 were to be an absolute must for a i7 13700K system, I would have least waited until the stable 23H2 Enterprise release later this fall and continued to use my older system which is to be determined to be sold or kept. Newer or future versions of Windows is not excluded but I rather stick with LTSC 2021 as long as I possible can.
P/E cores is a stupid idea, that maybe could have a sense in a smartphone or in a 256 thread server. But for personal usage ? Any PC sold today is overpowered for anything the average Joe does, so nobody cares about P cores E cores (and even the way saner Zen/Zenc cores seen in the upcoming AMD CPUs) Then there are gamers. those will turn off the E cores all together Then there are conscious users and those will buy E cores only CPUs So the entire question, is maybe academically interesting, but practically irrelevant
i think its great idea and far from stupid its like having 2 cpus in one u can lower the priority of the heavy task switching it to E-Cores it wont make so much heat, so the P-Cores wont underclock and the cache usage wont interfere much with the P-cores tasks and when the E-Cores doesnt do much u get those unused cache back increasing ever more the experience having this responsiveness all the time is a bless
When I was working at the Intel motherboard division, it was during the end of the clocking wars. With increasing integrated component density, we found it difficult to run processors over 5 Ghz. They would just heat up and shut down. So we turned to core count. Increasing the core count became a selling point. It's still a selling point. But I expect that some day, core count will get too large to manage and some other sort of computing will emerge and be marketed. But for now, core count is still a popular marketing tool. Sort of the way over-clocking was popular before it became a problem.
A) I dont want to buy the latest Intel CPU, and even the latest from AMD. I want to buy the oldest (and possibly cheapest) thing that met the goal. Be sure that in a decade or two a BIOS motherboard or a CPU w/o any kind of hidden ARM/Mips/Risc-V companion, will sell for a lot of $$$ B) Like I said cores can be turned off in the BIOS C) CPU sold as Core X aren't the only choice. Open your mind a bit, and you will find marvels under the Xeon / Pentium /Celeron /Atom brands. Like I said theory and pratice are always two different beasts. An example? A pivotable monitor In theory is one of the most brilliant ideas ever. In theory having a monitor that adapts to what you're doing is great In practice? In practice I never seen a single person bothering to rotate a pivotable monitor. Not just that, even the crowd of smartphone parvenus are unable to rotate their wrist by 90 degree, and the WEB is polluted of idiotic 9/16 videos. The same is and will be for CPU cores. No way the OS will be intelligent enough to understand when move something across cores w/o a manual intervention. And even an human may not have the right idea about what to do in some complex scenarios. In short this somewhat works on phones, where the apps are updated/replaced constantly, and have a precise role. Say the deamon that listens for incoming SMS may run solely on Little cores while a video recording app may be run explicitly on Big ones. But in Windows? Windows is about 30+ years of history. 50% of the programs I'm using are from companies that are bankrupt/folded a decade ago. How do you suppose that such apps will be updated to be Big/Little aware? Any other average company would have been bankrupted if had made the choices Intel made in that era. From Netburst, Rambus, CPUs unable to beat not just AMD's but older Intel's and so on... Well... "we", AMD shifted the paradigms starting with dual cores, and Intel was forced to follow, the movie we watched at the beginning of the Zen era, was an already watched movie for people old enough Oh, no doubt. Shepherd exists because the sheep, after all... If people is dumb enough to fight to buy something that don't need, Intel and any other big corp acts consequently. Almost surely you are right here, almost surely marketing will move to something even more stupid.
Pff. They will probably start marketing multi-CPU configurations. Alternatively, split the integrated chip into its components so you have to buy everything separately.