Support ends in a few months, where to go next?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Kim100, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. zen45

    zen45 MDL Addicted

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    wife got scared about win 7 ending in January so she said put win 10 on it ! I said ok checked if the free update was still available and it was so I installed it today and told her its got a learning curve and im letting her learn to use it LOL . she had windows 7 home .
     
  2. erpsterm35

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    you can only upgrade from win7 home to win10 home.

    I might be upgrading my aunt's old dell inspiron 580 desktop pc running win7 pro to win10 pro next month
     
  3. Nazzy

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    #63 Nazzy, Oct 1, 2019
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  4. rayleigh_otter

    rayleigh_otter MDL Expert

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    of course they will :cool:
     
  5. James Bond 007

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    I have mostly shifted to Windows 8.1 on my Windows machines, even though I will still keep Windows 7 on one partition to use when necessary. Windows 7 will stay on my machines past the end of support in January 2020. ( And please, I know exactly what I am doing so stop telling me about the danger of using it past end of support. )

    Personally I believe Windows 8.1 is quite good once it is paired with a start menu replacement like Classic Shell. I use it daily and am quite happy with it.

    I think I will have to continue to run some form of Windows down the road. So reluctantly I have started experimenting with Windows 10 1809 LTSC in VMware Workstation but it will not be installed on my machines until I consider it absolutely necessary, and that time won't come for at least 3 years.
     
  6. rayleigh_otter

    rayleigh_otter MDL Expert

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    I am quite sure that if they do try to block then some clever so and so will will find a fix. The people in forums seem to know more than ms.
     
  7. rayleigh_otter

    rayleigh_otter MDL Expert

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    #68 rayleigh_otter, Oct 4, 2019
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    The start menu is a big issue for many but i dont use it that often and use shortcuts which i quicker for me. Same with Metro UI, i dont need to use a 3rd party theme. Its a good OS, runs on Coffee Lake and is supported until Jan 2023(thanks Tiger-1 :) ) by which time a new LTSB/C will be out.
     
  8. Tiger-1

    Tiger-1 MDL Guru

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    correct bro W8.1 rocks...:)
     
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  9. rayleigh_otter

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    #70 rayleigh_otter, Oct 4, 2019
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    I never used windows 8 so i cant compare it with 8.1 but my time with 8.1 embedded industry enterprise then pro was positive :) and its often unfairly ignored in my opinion.

    By the way Tigs, did you compare enterprise and pro and if so what were your findings? and why Enterprise and not Pro?
     
  10. AeonX

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    This is annoying I don't know why people care so much about updates. I have been using Windows 7 SP1 for a long time without any update because it greatly increases the disk space occupied. Today I update the ISO before installing but because NTLite or this tool can remove superseded files that Microsoft stupidly keeps backup. While browsers support OS you don't have to worry about switching OS if you know where to download and where to click.

    Windows 8.1 was Microsoft's last decent OS although it has its controversies but it was the last OS that Microsoft was concerned with making an optimized OS for performance and efficiency.
     
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  11. rayleigh_otter

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    #72 rayleigh_otter, Oct 4, 2019
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    I did similar using kb3125574, latest .net and a few other kb's and it was stable.
    Lately i have tried WUD "without 3125574" and because its a curated list there were no superseeded updates. Quick run through with some manual cleanups and DISM++ :)
     
  12. AeonX

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    Windows backs up your old files every time you install an update in case you ever want to uninstall the update. This is done because of the high rate of bad updates. Linux does not need this you are always using the latest versions of files and without backing up the old ones. On Linux there is only backup of the packages you download so you don't have to download again if you need to. But it's easy to delete them if you want what doesn't happen in Windows.

    From Windows 8.1 onwards we have an official cleanup just at the command line as administrator type dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup /resetbase and all superseded files and updates will be deleted.
     
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  13. rayleigh_otter

    rayleigh_otter MDL Expert

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    If you install an image to capture a stable image for airgapped workstation then who cares about windows update? Like you said rip out winsxs etc with NTLite and run a lite preset. :)
     
  14. AeonX

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    Yes, I just meant that even if you do not install or integrate superseded updates Windows will back up old files thus increasing the size of the image or disk space occupied. I integrate all the updates I need offline, cleanup and forget windows update :)

    I recently found that it is better to keep the component store (winsxs) so I can enable and disable features if I need to (SMB1, IE, etc.) and programs can install updates (eg Visual Studio 2015 installs some updates without asking).

    Remove winsxs removes very few megabytes. What I do is remove Windows Update that activates NTLite to remove more files for each component that is removed, remove backups of updates, all while maintaining the ability to integrate .cab updates and enable and disable features :)
     
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  15. rayleigh_otter

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    #76 rayleigh_otter, Oct 4, 2019
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    I would set Features before capture, find what C++'s i need and install them from one of abbodi1406's packs. I dont use new software that often so i can build an image that will last me for a few years. update cleanup, winsxs, 3rd party drivers, keyboards languages and fonts combined still gives a good shrink before you even touch the main system components. The task manager grab i posted was from a full non lited install with tweaks and a couple of kludges, the system wont be lite lite but lite'ish(similar to LTSB/C), acceptable stable and fast(is on an i3 8300 and crucial MX500 and on G5400 too) :)

    windows 7 may work on B365 chipset, will order a board and test.
     
  16. AeonX

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    My goal is different, I am not making an image just for my use but for use on other machines as well. And even for my use, maybe in the future I may need some features.

    I am starting to study programming and I don't know anything about visual studio but in the future I may need so I keep winsxs and \SysWOW64\sqmapi.dll since this is required to install it. I removed IIS and MSMQ but now I keep because it may be necessary for web programming although I'm not sure.

    For Adobe Premiere, Adobe After Effects and Sony Sound Forge windows media player is required. I would like to remove this because I use AIMP and MPC-HC but I am required to keep it for compatibility. IE11 I also keep for compatibility. Software expects most components to be present on Windows as there is no official way to remove them as they do on Linux.

    It is best to use tweaks instead of removals. I intend to make a script for my needs but at the moment I'm without much time so I use what is ready :p
     
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  17. AeonX

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    The most important in my opinion is not the disk space occupied because nowadays this is not a problem but processes that run 100% of the time. Some things cannot be disabled or removed but I give priority to those that affect performance.
     
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  18. rayleigh_otter

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    Yeah but you can stil use what i stated except for winsxs, the language keyboard font requirements will be the same for the machines, those 3rd party drivers will be nearly all out of date, nuhi gives you a lot of flexibility where possible to build a 1 size fits all, always has :) :worthy:
     
  19. rayleigh_otter

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    If you cant remove disable. disabling hoggers and loggers helps disc life, and benefits a hdd cos its not always busy writing tons of uneeded stuff, see my posts at the other place on Ultraform's thread.