Trilogy 4.2

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  1. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    Facts:

    1. I am for first time getting same msg and lost ability to open programs
    2. There is possibility that another adobe server deactivated CS4/5/5.5
    3. It is possible that multiple comps using same ID/PW might have caused problems but I don't have multiple installations and have same msg box
     
  2. tomah

    tomah MDL Senior Member

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    From what I'm seeing around the net, this appears to be more a serial problem than an activation server problem.
     
  3. thethingy

    thethingy MDL Senior Member

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    the hosts works just fine, problem with the hosts is if you use proxies to access the net then the hosts can be bypassed and Adobe dont check every day they check once in a while so your app could work for sometime before its finally checked (adobe dont check if your nets in use also), haven't been any updates recently so nothing could be added to the programs to make them check in at a new server.
     
  4. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    Let me know when you figure it out

    First time in 4.5 yrs ever happened and right when this guy reports
     
  5. thatguychuck

    thatguychuck MDL Member

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    I hadn't used Anything Adobe for a few days, and only opened when I read about the other issues here. Same result, start trial or enter key.
     
  6. tomah

    tomah MDL Senior Member

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    #1606 tomah, Aug 3, 2011
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    While not an ideal solution, moving your PC date back, appears to enable CS5.5 again. For those with this problem, it may be a matter of doing this, until a proper serial can be obtained. Hopefully doing so will not mess up any other "solutions" you may have in place. Of course, you can always just not use CS5.5 until then.

    IMPORTANT: Do not post any serials here, as it is against forum rules.
     
  7. thethingy

    thethingy MDL Senior Member

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    blocking Adobe with the firewall is foolproof, its set to allow through default with most firewalls.
     
  8. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    #1608 timesurfer, Aug 3, 2011
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    I believe this is epidemic and if based on install time and phone home within 30 days shadyman solution via ACS5.5T solution CS4/5/5.5 usage is timebombed

    Moving PC date back will bork IR5 and IORRT

    So what is needed is discovery of needed entries or other keys or other solution

    So for 30 days we're ok I think :p

    Of course a trial/task based inside windows solution would be best so that we wouldn't need serials at all and new solution could be complete given MDL rules :sith:

    I appreciate your enthusiasm but we don't know why this solution is failing yet
     
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    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    #1610 timesurfer, Aug 3, 2011
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    Listen closely thethingy!

    We don't know why this is happening!

    Go back and reread my posts!

    If you have extra entry then that may be why but again we don't know for certain!

    Also we don't know when the phone home is done based on install date, etc, so it is possible that you could get deactivated and put into 30 day trial soon

    Lets be constructive here not just your is fine other is not and so forth!

    I repeat we don't know why this is happening yet!
     
  11. thethingy

    thethingy MDL Senior Member

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    what?, everything you think you dont know is readily available on the Adobe site.

    1: Phone home happens when the system is idle
    2: in the absence of an update its just not possible for for the system to look for a new activation server.
    3: there is no time bomb in any of the apps except for Technical Communication Suite 3, Framemaker 10 and Robohelp 9

    I wont bother posting in your thread again as you appear really insulting and arrogant.
     
  12. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    Just don't want readers to go off into your world of everything being ok for you but with no answer for them (others)

    1. At what interval does phone home happen when system is idle? Daily, weekly, 30 days? When?
    2. When we're we talking about update causing this? If it's not an update then how could the entry allow phone home to happen to examine current key?
    3. We are concerned as why exactly this is happening right?

    I neither insulted you nor was cocky! That is totally fictitious and unfounded!

    I simply want better answer and support for my thread then yours is fine (with no explanation) and others are not (with no explanation)

    Is your translator working properly :p...lol
     
  13. thethingy

    thethingy MDL Senior Member

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    OK then ;) ,

    1: I monitored cs4, cs5 & cs5.5 for a few weeks with firewall logging and Adobe checks aggressively (like every 10 minutes) when the system is idle.

    2: If you visit some parts of the Adobe site or use any of there free or paid online services then you get a serial check done also, there hasent been any update to alter the system for a few weeks so I dont see how this can just be randomly happening unless the hosts is being bypassed by say using a proxy for net access or perhaps the hosts being altered by security software.

    3: yes of course.
     
  14. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    So

    1. Hosts is being bypasses however

    I don't use vpn or proxy so that is my information
     
  15. tomah

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    I'm not sure if you're reading my posts correctly. I am suggesting that the problem lies with the serial number you are using. If you use an "invalid" one, then after today (or maybe yesterday) everything stops working. At no time did I suggest that anything got updated, is missing in the hosts file, or got through a firewall.

    As timesurfer has already mentioned, changing the date is a no go for Trilogy users that are making use of IORRT or IR5 but, for any of you that want to test this at your own risk (and are only using the ACS5T part of Trilogy), try changing the date back and all should start working. This date (yesterday or today) is what caused all of the "invalid" serials to stop working.

    @ts - check pm if you haven't already.
     
  16. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    #1616 timesurfer, Aug 3, 2011
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    We need to know how CS4/5/5.5 is talking to adobe server, etc

    thethingy has more entries than Trilogy?

    So in this observation how can key be detected and through what channel

    So I conclude it must be hosts file entry we need to block key comparison

    Hence we need entry or wait till thethingy has problems or others

    Also did CS4/5 get killed?

    These questions and more shall be found in the twilight zone :sith:
     
  17. thethingy

    thethingy MDL Senior Member

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    Ive had a few people contact me about this, seems they are getting serial expired and not serial barred, that would suggest the serial they have being using is a subscription one and not a full one, someone has mentioned also that setting the date back allows the same serial to be used again and setting the date back is no good but the fact that the serial works in a pre date situation suggests that its not actually been checked and blocked as you cant use a bared serial on the same pc again.
     
  18. tomah

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    I believe the problematic serials may be sort of "beta" or "pre-release" like, and just expire after a set date. If this is the case, and I believe it is, all that's required is a new serial(s).
     
  19. thethingy

    thethingy MDL Senior Member

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    something like that, Adobe started a subscription in cs5.5 so you can buy like 1/2/3 months use at a time, a serial checked against there server and detected as pirate gets stored on you pc and cant be used again on that pc
     
  20. thatguychuck

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    Results from my trial and error stuff:

    Download new trial file from adobe. I modified trilogy's server list to include the ones from thethingy, and installed. Keys not valid. Set clock back to 07/31, keys valid. Install. Set date forward, and not valid again.

    I even did some basic testing an older install file I had on hand, can't remember when exactly I picked it up. No difference with the keys, so I don't think they've modified the trial download.

    So it looks like the key's are just not valid, by date.