What do you think about Electric Cars?

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. JFKI

    JFKI MDL Expert

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    Yeah, it does kinda look that way, instead of giving raises he is hiring a whole new set of noobs.
    Do I really want to buy an EV from this guy ? No.
     
  2. gorski

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  3. Tosko

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    Apart from the fact that the car cannot be charged easily everywhere, if the battery dies of electric cars, it's s**tty expensive to replace.
    Look at the Tesla model S for example. I know this guy who bought one and used it for his taxi services. He had to replace the battery after 2 years, which cost him about €30.000,- (about $35k)

    Without a battery the car is useless, just like an engine for a car. But a new engine is never that expensive (maybe unless you own a very luxurious (sports) car maybe..)

    I also drive to all my vacation destinations within europe. The Netherlands (where I live) is somewhat good covered for electric cars, but if I start driving east, they do not have these electrical charging posts. And yes you can charge your car as well with the conventional home power, but not all countries can provide a stable continuous power supply, and are often quite weak. It would take houuurs to charge, and that is not something I want when I drive 2400 km to my destination for example. Also the range that I can cover with an electrical car is maybe half (or maybe even less) compared to a diesel car. Instead of a day or two driving, it would take me dayyss.

    So I am not willing to risk it just yet
     
  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    I doubt the first is the norm!

    "EU East" does not have the money yet, so chicken and egg... But eventually this will come in better quantities, I am sure...

    On the other hand, I checked (I am from Croatia, they tell me :D ) and you can get to Cro by an EV... Check it out, the map is here somewhere... ;)
     
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  5. Tosko

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    Yeah I did check. And sure money is the issue now. Which means that at this moment in time, it is not for me. My vacation destination would be Kosovo for example.

    East-EU:
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    West-EU:

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  6. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Oh, my... You're too exotic, even for me... :D :p :D

    Mir dita! :)
     
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  7. Tosko

    Tosko MDL Novice

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    Mir dita!! :D Aje mir?

    How so too exotic? :D
     
  8. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    It's proper Orient before Orient, no need to go to Iran or some such "crazy" thing... :D Save yourself some fuel.... :p
     
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  12. Joe C

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    Your Vid blob:
    On the story from Wired, that is probably the main reason the Elon can not make production quota's and is far behind in deliveries.
    The writer is a noob. He has no idea of what automotive production is about.
     
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  13. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Thanx - this is the same video on https://www.wired.com/story/teslas-secret-second-floor/ - under "Related video", just see it and then think about it... It's impressive, the best the US has...

    As for noob or not - you are qualified to make that judgement? How, please?

    FYI, these articles are most often unchanged stuff companies release...
     
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  15. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    Probably more than some.
    My grandfather and my father both worked for Ford, I was born in Detroit. My friends worked for the big 3 and myself and other friends worked at one or more of the 1000's of small shops that made parts for the auto industry. Many area's of my life are involved directly or indirectly with the auto industry. I live in Michigan, My entire life has been surrounded in manufacturing
     
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  17. Joe C

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    #237 Joe C, Oct 21, 2017
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    The auto manufactures that have been around for a long while and that the includes foreign car market. They know how to produce. Elon refuses to accept mass production as it has already been proven to work for many decades
    https://www.recode.net/2017/7/3/15916730/tesla-delivery-goals-second-quarter-2017
    I do admire Elon for wanting to do all the manufacturing by himself, but that does not make cars very quickly. Competition between smaller companies that bid to get jobs for producing automotive parts will be much more efficient. (the demise of AC/Delco is proof)
    When Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota and the other players start mass production, Elon might find himself in a world of hurt
     
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  18. Michaela Joy

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    @Joe C: I agree with you. Just about every auto maker uses outsourcing to leverage their production.

    It's just good business. I hope Elon Musk realizes that and at least tries to follow the model that has been proven to work for decades.
     
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  19. JFKI

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    #239 JFKI, Oct 21, 2017
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    You must mean like back in the late 80's and early 90's when GM outsourced their engine remanufacturing to Mexico and only 1 out of 3 made the first 1000 miles without blowing up. It was good business... for someone, :dunno: who though.

    ( Just glad we had Ford ambulances in our area. )
     
  20. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    @JFKI: We are now in 2017. Not in the early 90's.

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/16/news/companies/gm-supplier-jobs-mexico/

    Try to stay focused...(Old-Timer) :D
     
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