What do you think about Electric Cars?

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Katzenfreund, Aug 24, 2017.

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    They are World Wide today
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_General_Motors_factories
     
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  2. JFKI

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    I don't see any info about how many components are rejects on that page.

    My info was first hand... Ironically one vehicle which took 3 engines before one lasted was the Snap-On Van.
    The first time was a royal PITA because the body was all riveted together, 2nd and 3rd times it was carrage bolts.
     
  3. Joe C

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    Crap like that still happens even today.
    Ford's V8 engine throws a rod around 80k miles, it's out of warranty so you cough up the fix... or buy another car!
     
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  4. Michaela Joy

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    @JFKI: And you wont. That's information that's only meant for engineering and cost accounting. ;)
     
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  5. gorski

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    Elon has time to improve his production efficiency - as long as the big 'uns don't do his stuff... And boy, can they do that or what? Have you seen those facilities? It's a big WOW factor, you know...

    Seen the score: by the end of 2017 he wants to deliver 5000 cars per week (Model 3) and at 40 grand, that's $200 million per week, hence he is expanding and borrowing...

    Good luck with the project...
     
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  6. Michaela Joy

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    I wish -all- of the auto makers luck. If nothing else, Elon Musk seems to have motivated big auto industry to start getting rid of
    car emissions. Granted, as both JFKI and Joe C have pointed out, it's merely a tradeoff; Electricity from generation plants vs internal combustion.

    With a promised reduction of between 7 and 10% of the petrochemical industry.

    Let's see where it goes. :)
     
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  7. JFKI

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    #247 JFKI, Oct 22, 2017
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    That is not a fair assessment of my point... Now if that Ford throws a rod, you have that engine replaced and three days later (or less) it throws another rod and you have it replaced and another few days later it throws yet another and you then have it replaced.

    It is not only the cost of the replacement, it is also the downtime, which when the work was outsourced to Mexico was on average threefold of what it should have been.

    During which time this customer is thinking that you are a complete imbecile and word of mouth is making it's rounds and you start losing customers because this Mexican (Juan Julio Goodwrench) who has no clue what a torque wrench is.

    In that scenario who eats the labor costs ?
     
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  9. Joe C

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    #249 Joe C, Oct 22, 2017
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    It can also come down to MTBF (Mean Time Before Failure) That means that parts are engineered and designed to last a certain amount of time, and for any manufacture that would be after the warranty expires. GM had a V6 engine that the intake/head gaskets failed, every one of these engines failed and GM knew it for years yet they still made these engines and they still failed. They do know. They just do not care, if your out of warranty they win, if your not out of warranty, then they know it is a gamble they are willing to take
    https://www.google.com/search?newwi....1.64.psy-ab..0.4.214...35i39k1.0.dKrHc0rZLp8
     
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  10. JFKI

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    LOL.. But less than 1,000 miles ?

    And yes I do realize your point. Chrysler had a problem with their V-6's in their caravans in which the valve guides would literally fall out of the heads, which they never to my knowledge fixed.
     
  11. Joe C

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    #251 Joe C, Oct 22, 2017
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    Western Digital stopped using MTBF on their platter drives and now call it CDL (Component Design Life)
    Which means that these things like everything else manufacture'd today, is designed to fail after a certain amount of hours
    https://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase/answer.aspx?ID=665


    Makes me wonder what kind of term they're going to use for EV's?
     
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  12. Katzenfreund

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    #252 Katzenfreund, Oct 24, 2017
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  13. Joe C

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  16. gorski

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    The more, the merrier: https://electrek.co/2017/10/27/hyun...0ff25921825bf&uid=917878446&nid=244 281088008

    And why not, it's a move in the right direction: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...0-less-greenhouse-gas-than-diesel-study-finds

    Moreover: "Samir Dattopadhye‏ @samirsinh189 Oct 25
    UK analyst Watling says #ElectricCars revolution to bring #OilPrice down to $10/barrel. #NonConventional energy may alter world geopolitics."

    Oh, my: "Eric Axelrod‏ @axelrod_eric Oct 24
    MikeQuindazzi: RT MikeQuindazzi: This car runs on 100% #solarenergy. #RenewableEnergy #Solar #ElectricCars #EV"

    And it's getting ever cooler by the day: https://www.economist.com/news/scie...ction-gets-rid-cables-it-now-practical-refuel

    And cheaper: ""NI EV Owners‏ @nievowners 18h18 hours ago
    Going Solar Pt6 – Entire 1st Years Fuel Costs for Nissan Leaf EV – £235 - http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/carbon-footprint/going-solar-part-6-entire-first-years-fuel-costs-for-nissan-leaf-ev-235.html … @NissanEV_UK @OLEVgovuk "#electriccars"

    With more options, which is great:
    Or this: Scandiland, as almost always, shows the way: https://thinkprogress.org/norway-ai...g-car-by-2025-as-ev-market-soars-edeac854f1e/

    Oh, and this will help:

    WOW!!! :) (Just to piss off the US doubters here... :D )
     
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  17. Mr.X

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    Bah! You Electric Troll :tomato:
     
  18. gorski

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    Says an IT twat :D Say, for the sake of an argument, what do you do all day long, splash water around - or push zeros and ones... ermmm... by which means? :p
     
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  19. Joe C

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    Mr. X, Please Do Not Feed the Troll. If you do, he will always come back again
     
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  20. Tiger-1

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    :rofl:
     
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