What do you think about Electric Cars?

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Katzenfreund, Aug 24, 2017.

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    I think Elon has been getting production ques from John Delorean
     
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  2. JFKI

    JFKI MDL Expert

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    Or doc brown. ;)
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  3. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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  5. JFKI

    JFKI MDL Expert

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    :laie::laie::laie::laie:

    Tesla Shipped Cars Without Seats And Digital Displays

    https://jalopnik.com/tesla-shipped-cars-without-seats-and-digital-displays-1820113207


    Tesla’s off to a rocky start with the production launch of the new Model 3 sedan, spurred in part by the company’s unorthodox approach to making cars. On Friday, the Financial Times revealed another unusual method to production: In numerous instances the company “shipped cars from the factory that lacked key parts,” including everything from digital displays to seats.
    It seems like an... interesting way to finish a car, rather than just have it roll off the line in its complete state.

    Here’s how the FT describes Tesla’s solution to shipping a car without a seat:

    These parts were flown to Tesla-owned dealers, who then assembled them into the vehicle before completing the shipments to customers, according to several people familiar with the practice.

    “This goes back years,” says a former regional executive, who declined to be named.

    “It was common, common in every market — the seats, the displays were being flown in.”

    The FT says it doesn’t breach Tesla’s disclosure rules, but it “does raise questions over whether the vehicles were adequately checked and calibrated before being delivered to users.”

    In a statement, a Tesla spokesperson said that, “Unlike other car companies, which do not change their cars for at least a year at a time, Tesla is constantly improving its cars with over-the-air updates and often design and hardware improvements.”

    “As but one example, that means occasionally we will even send, say, new certified parts to meet a car at the delivery center if those items have been upgraded after the car has shipped,” the spokesperson said. “This process may be unfamiliar to some, but has worked very well for us, as our customers know that if we can add value or make something better, we will do everything we can to do it right away.”

    Tesla’s had a rocky launch with the new all-electric Model 3 sedan, which starts at a base price of $35,000. As we reported this week, the Model 3 line was still being finished as of last month and new robotics—designed to increase the speed of production—are still not operating automated, as intended.

    The FT quoted someone—who, according to the news outlet, has “inspected car plants all over the world” and recently visited Tesla’s Fremont plant—saying as much.

    “I have never seen so much manual labour on a line,”the person said.

    Tesla said this week that it can ramp up production of the Model 3 to 5,000 cars per week by sometime next March, delaying the target previously set by three months.
     
  6. THE GHOST

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    electric cars can be tricky sometimes;)
     
  7. Joe C

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    Base price is $35,000 but if you want seats, that'll cost ya
     
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  8. Michaela Joy

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  9. JFKI

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    I worked (in various positions) on and off at a modular housing company for some 30 years and I have only seen them ship their "boxes" once due to a vendor non delivery issue, and that was to Nantucket... Just before the rainy season. The item was window flashing and they used duct tape instead. That ended up costing them over 1.5 million dollars, and made them look like the laughing stock of the housing industry... And their own employees. Nantucket tape? Really?
     
  10. Michaela Joy

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    @JFKI: Yup. I bet it looked like a good idea at the time. :D
     
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  11. gorski

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  12. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    They are like dope pushers...give'm some for free to try it out and when they depend on it, rake 'em and over $$$$ charge
     
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  13. Katzenfreund

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    I wonder whether the ultra fast charging will produce more heat and shorten the life of batteries.
     
  14. JFKI

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    I am gonna guess yes... Especially after reading this:
    https://jalopnik.com/teslas-director-of-battery-engineering-is-out-1820179362
    Tesla's Director Of Battery Engineering Is Out

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    Tesla is currently working to address manufacturing issues at its Gigafactory in Nevada, which led to a three month delay in the production schedule of the Model 3 sedan. At the same time, Jalopnik has learned the company’s director of battery engineering left the company in recent weeks.

    Jon Wagner, who joined Tesla in 2013, worked as the team leader for battery pack design engineering at the automaker and helped develop technology in the Model S, X, and 3, according to his LinkedIn profile. He also served as Tesla’s interim director for battery manufacturing, body engineering and computer aided engineering, his LinkedIn page says.

    Wagner couldn’t be immediately reached for comment. Tesla declined to comment.

    Sources said he officially left the company within the past month, but the circumstances of his departure aren’t immediately clear. There are some hints on Wagner’s LinkedIn page, which says he still works at Tesla, but, as of last month, now states that he’s launching a battery and powertrain startup in Redwood, California.

    “[C]ontact me to find out more,” Wagner writes on his page about the new venture, “now hiring!”

    It’s possible Wagner’s new venture was in the works for some time, before the Gigafactory issues became known. Tesla CEO Elon Musk said last week the company didn’t fully grasp the extent of the issues “until quite recently.”

    Still, Wagner is the latest in a string of management departures at the automaker, which last week said the “primary constraint” on production of the Model 3 has been problems at its massive battery factory. The company said the “combined complexity” of the all-electric sedan’s new battery module and the automated manufacturing processes for it has led to sluggish production.

    Tesla experienced hiccups at the Gigafactory earlier this year. In the second quarter, the company reported it had a “production shortfall” of 100 kWh battery packs through June.

    Tesla launched production of the Model 3 in July, but it hasn’t gone smoothly. Early last month, the company reported it produced only 260 Model 3s, less than 20 percent of its target of 1,500 for the third quarter of 2017. An investigation into Tesla’s manufacturing operations published last week by Jalopnik raised questions about the status of the car’s assembly line at the automaker’s California factory. At least one supplier had yet to receive the necessary approval for tooling to build their component, the investigation found, a crucial factor when trying to hit high production targets.

    In a letter to shareholders last Wednesday, Tesla said the “primary constraint” on production was emanating from the Gigafactory, where it ran into problems making battery packs for the Model 3.

    Tesla said it’s “confident that throughput will increase significantly in upcoming weeks” and that it’ll “ultimately be capable of production rates significantly greater than the original specification,” but it pushed back a target of producing 5,000 Model 3s per week by the end of this year to late March.

    The automaker ultimately has a goal of reaching a run rate of 10,000 Model 3s per week, but Tesla said it won’t hit that until it implements a “capacity addition”at the California factory to increase production.

    Tesla has about 450,000 reservations for the Model 3.

    And this:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ad-of-battery-engineering-exits-idUSKBN1D62OO

    Tesla's head of battery engineering exits

    (Reuters) - Tesla Inc’s director of battery engineering, Jon Wagner has left the electric car manufacturer, according to his LinkedIn profile.

    According to Wagner’s LinkedIn page, he is launching a battery and powertrain startup in California. The timeline of his departure is not know.

    Wagner, who joined the company in January 2013, was involved in developing technology for all of Tesla's cars, as well as the Powerwall, according to his profile. (no_short_urls_allowed/2hagy7D)

    Last week, Tesla pushed back its target for volume production on its new Model 3 sedan by about three months, saying it was difficult to predict how long it would take to fix production bottlenecks.

    Tesla had also said that the main constraint was its battery module assembly line at its Nevada Gigafactory, where the company had to redesign part of the production process.

    Tesla and Wagner did not respond to requests for comment.
     
  15. gorski

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    That's where Panasonic comes into play... ;)
     
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    https://www.teslarati.com/countries-companies-poised-win-electric-car-race/

    "Electric cars are on a collision course with the status quo. Oilprice just published an article titled, Electric Vehicles And The 5 Trillion Dollar Market Transition, in which Peter Tertzakian writes, “There is little debate in my mind that big changes are forthcoming… When it comes to oil and autos, big is a word that is not big enough. Transitioning not one, but two of the largest industries in the world simultaneously is unprecedented. Both have multi-trillion-dollar roots” and the stakes are high."

    Size matters :D https://electrek.co/2017/11/10/tesl...f596508db722a&uid=917878446&nid=244 276893704
     
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  19. gorski

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    Si, si muove... :D

    https://electrek.co/2017/11/15/tesl...06fb473783173&uid=917878446&nid=244 276893704

    First we take Manhattan, then we take.... ermmm.... China? :p https://pandaily.com/seems-sure-tesla-will-establish-factory-china/

    OK, 1 year on, a users critical take on Model X:



    Now, can Tesla brake a Swede's mind on the subject of wholesome project - a business/financial break-down included?!?

    https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline

     
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