What do you think about Electric Cars?

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Katzenfreund, Aug 24, 2017.

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

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    u can still keep the 2018 EV i will take 2013 V6 accord any day does honda 6 cylinders are awesome :)
     
  2. Krager

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    I think that would be the way to do it, quick change battery like an electric drill. Would do a lot to solve the current problem, maybe battery exchange stations would make it feasible.
     
  3. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

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    u cant swap on the fly the battery is huge and super expensive....check out a Tesla battery on ebay runs for.
    10 Tesla battery modules from Rav4 EV for solar storage or DIY EV
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    https://www.ebay.com/i/163168062939?chn=ps
     
  4. Joe C

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    Obviously you missed my post #873 because I posted a link and a quote that a Chinese company called Nio has set up battery replacement stations in China and is already switching out batteries for the Nio cars in about 3 minutes
    I also stated that Tesla needs to take a serious note on this if they want to compete with companies like Nio
     
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  5. MS_User

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    first of all give it time and see how good does chinese made batteries are they mite up burning down your car they make a lot cheap s**t and again not everyone can afford a Tesla.
     
  6. Joe C

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    #886 Joe C, Mar 1, 2019
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    I'm not trying to promote the use of Chinese cars and batteries as much as the concept of using a replaceable battery. If I go on a long trip across country the last thing I want to do is to have to stop and wait 20 minutes or more to recharge a battery, but if I can pull into a place that can pop in a fresh battery in under 5 minutes then I could do something like that. I also see the life time of EV's lasting much longer if you can easily replace the main component of the EV itself.... that battery.
    I am sure that manufactures will make proprietary batteries so that only one battery only fits into one particular model, and when they give it the "End of Life" then you'll be forced into getting another car/truck/suv. (that remains to be seen because they do not make one type of fuel for each car today)
     
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  7. MS_User

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    im sure it will be like that u can only use battery design for that model car only and pay a bunch money for it......EV are not appealing to me at all at this moment.
     
  8. Krager

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    #888 Krager, Mar 2, 2019
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    Ideally if makers could standardize on a few types of batteries it would make replacement stations more practical. It's pretty typical for that kind of thing in industry so it could happen. But on the other hand the car is built around the battery so that may never happen.

    There's the possibility of reducing charge times greatly, but that involves using a very high voltage interface and again it's a situation where there's no standard. There needs to be standards put in place so all high speed charging stations work on all cars, same problem as battery stations.
     
  9. karlw

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    #889 karlw, Mar 4, 2019
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    I guess you guys haven't checked out the next generation of supercapacitors or batteries. They deliver almost instant power and can absorb an enormous charge in short order. There are some really great technologies created by coating things like plates and electrodes in carbon based materials. This retrofit will be everywhere soon.

    Some battery science lessons you can check out: youtube.com /user/RobertMurraySmith

    I was also trying to make a point that TESLA is an energy company more than ever if the merger with Maxwell goes through. They have sold to the public, supercapacitors that are fairly inneficient up until now, but that's about to change.

    So energy and transportation... Expect a lot of change here. Make your bets where you want.
    -TESLA business is efficient from multiple levels. Turning raw materials into car parts with automation and processes that take time to fully setup and get working optimally.
    -They provide solutions for energy grids.

    Supercapacitors of the future:
    - The new technology is way safer and won't catch fire. So it's safer than Internal Combustion Engine (ICE).
    Free and powerful all wheel drive that is regenerative and safer than anything else, assuming optimal tires, etc.
    - Supercapacitors allow regenerative braking to be able to have a place to store energy quickly. This tech will be on every single vehicle large and small at some point, because it's dirt cheap at scale.
    - TESLA has scale that is already established.
    - Their SEMI is great and will revolutionize an industry. Now you can recharge your vehicle completely before you even unload it. youtube 5n9xafjynJA
    - Corporations want economics to make sense. Fleets have to analyze the economics, which will lead to purchases, especially with longer lasting, faster charge/discharge energy storage.
    - Supercapacitors are great for propelling anything... including bullets and missiles. Bet you'll see this tech get used to defend the USA and others it sells weapons tech to.

    You wouldn't power your house with gasoline if you had a choice. Why would you do it with your transportation, assuming your energy storage works great?

    NIO? I'm not an expert.
    - How heavy are these batteries that the battery switch station needs to store? 1000km range battery being switched? several hundred lbs. at least. It will probably be great between big metropolitan areas. You're not going to have this everywhere I don't think.And unless these things have electronics guaranteeing me a correct history of the discharge of the battery, why would I want to give away one of the most expensive and new pieces of my vehicle for one that could be garbage? Did I miss something?

    There's a lot more to be said too I think.
     
  10. Joe C

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    #890 Joe C, Mar 4, 2019
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    You do not buy the batteries, (except the first battery with the vehicle) you simply exchange them like I exchange my propane tank for my gas grill or like I switch out the battery in my cordless drill. The weight is not an issue, if you read my link about the Nio auto manufacture, you would know how they replace these batteries. The entire idea on getting a car with a battery with a limited life time (amount of charges it can take) or waiting for a charge does not interest me in EV's.
    The idea of switching out the battery is going to be a game winner and if other auto manufactures do not pick up on that, I could see a company like Nio taking over the market. Their idea has me sold on getting an EV in the future.
     
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  11. MS_User

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    i doubt the EV industry are going to allow interchangeable battery...dont forget is all about$$$$$ ;)
     
  12. Krager

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    Yeah it's always about the money isn't it. That would be the ideal as Joe C mentioned, but getting individual companies to work together at that level is probably not realistic. Everybody wants to maximize their revenue.
     
  13. Joe C

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    I would not expect different manufactures to all use the same battery, Even today Ford, Chevy and all other manufactures use their own proprietary parts. You can't get a Ford wheel to fit on a chevy or visa versa but take note, all tires fit all cars. A Chinese company called Nio is already doing this today(replaceable battery) , It would be nice but I can't tell if they will make a universal battery to slide in one model and have it fit a different manufacture's car. I'd be happy if other auto manufacturer's just made easily replaceable batteries that could be slid in and out with a machine designed to hold them for fast installation and removal. Even if the size was proprietary for just that brand of vehicle
     
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  14. karlw

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    A lot of parts on modern vehicles aren't exactly user serviceable. It would be great if they were. If it was easy to do a battery swap by a single individual without expensive tools, and didn't add to the cost, etc. of the vehicle, also great.
    Electricity and propane aren't exactly the same thing. Electricity comes directly from the sun and is in every house already. If I could fast charge (5 mins or less very soon) my battery anywhere for next to nothing, I wouldn't pay someone to swap a battery for me.

    A battery is incredible to have since you could use it to generate your own electricity off-grid, or in emergency situation. Couple it with some kind of renewable source, and it would be much better to have during an apocalyptic situation than any other combustion engine. You could also turn your motors yourself to generate your own power through motion. You'd obviously have to know what you're doing or get a kit or something to do it right now.

    All tesla vehicles were reduced in price shortly after I posted. This is great because they are focusing on maximizing their sales numbers. Once they accomplish this, no one will really be able to compete effectively.
    Their stock will also at some point be added to the S&P 500. This will cause their stock to break out of its traded range. Once that happens without everything going to hell, the company is pretty much unstoppable.
     
  15. karlw

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    #895 karlw, Mar 7, 2019
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    I don't think interchangeable battery makes much sense.
     
  16. MS_User

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    thats all a pipe dream u will never see interchangeable battery ever...i bet each company will have a security feature were if u install a generic battery the EV will not run....again is all about the $$$$$$
     
  17. karlw

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    #897 karlw, Mar 10, 2019
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    reality always is
     
  18. Michaela Joy

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    "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations. For nature can not be fooled."
     
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  19. gorski

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    Talking out of your rear end is NOT clever:

    https://insideevs.com/horsepower-war-rimac-c_two-geneva/

    In Horsepower War, Rimac C_Two Proves Electric Cars Can’t Be Matched
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    Prices of "regular" EVs are going down, baby:

    https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121822_tesla-cuts-more-than-10000-off-price-of-model-s-and-x

    ...while batteries are going more powerful, in fact DOUBLE THE STORAGE POWER:

    https://www.electricvehiclesresearc...terials-ability-to-store-energy?userfunid=250

    Wake up and smell the broccoli... :D
     
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  20. MS_User

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    first of all the only person talking out of ass here is u....that car cost $615,000 dollars ....so i assume for u is a great deal that their coming down price for your regular consumers....what are retarded stop smoking that s**t is making u stupid.