What do you think about Electric Cars?

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Katzenfreund, Aug 24, 2017.

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    OK, the third link is informative re. the novelties, so here it is:
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    2019 Jaguar I-Pace electric car (crossover SUV)

    In car terms, we're already getting rolling on model year 2019, and it's shaping up to be the year of the electric SUV.

    Until now, pure electric cars have consisted mostly of small hatchbacks or expensive luxury cars, with one ultra-expensive SUV, the Tesla Model X.

    With the rollout of the Jaguar I-Pace, consumers who want an electric car but need the practicality of an SUV have choices.

    Analysts have long said one of the main things electric cars need to make the transition from early adopters to mainstream cars is more choices. With at least four and as many as nine new electric SUVs coming in the next year and a half, 2019 is gearing up to be the year of the electric SUV.

    Here’s a roundup of the SUVs that have been announced for 2019 through the end of the 2020 model year, in order of the nearest to farthest from production.
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    2019 Jaguar I-Pace S

    Jaguar I-Pace

    The I-Pace just went on sale in the U.S. with a 240-mile range from a 90-kwh battery and 394 horsepower from two electric motors.

    A little smaller than a Tesla Model X, the I-Pace seats just five, and has conventional front and rear doors that swing open on the first try.

    Early drives indicate the I-Pace has a better finished interior and may be a better dance partner on twisty roads than the larger Model X.
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    2019 Audi e-tron prototype
    Audi e-tron


    Another five-passenger SUV a little smaller than the Tesla Model X, the e-tron uses Audi's (and parent Volkswagen’s) first dedicated electric car platform.

    It will sit between Audi’s Q5 and Q7 in size. Its 95-kwh battery is expected to give the car a range of about 248 miles, and Audi says the e-tron will be the first electric car set up to use full, 150-kw charging, which can recharge the car from zero to 80 percent in a half hour. A 350-kw charge option is expected to be available later.

    The production e-tron was scheduled to be revealed at the end of August but the introduction has been postponed following the arrest of Audi’s CEO as the latest complication from the diesel emissions cheating scandal.
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    Mercedes-Benz Generation EQ concept, 2016 Paris auto show

    Mercedes EQ

    Mercedes has announced that its EQC electric SUV, expected to be built in France, will make its official debut on September 4, a week after the Audi e-Tron was scheduled to debut.

    The company has already started taking reservations for the car in Norway and says it will go on sale as a 2019 model. We expect it will also have a range in the vicinity of 250 miles.

    Mercedes also expects to take advantage of new fast-charging technology to replenish about 62 miles of range in as little as five minutes.
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    2019 Volvo XC40 T5 AWD R-Design

    Volvo XC40

    We learned this week that Volvo’s first all-electric car will be the little XC40. Company officials expect it to deliver a range of about 240 miles and to cost as little as $35,000, though it’s not clear if the company is counting that before or after tax credits.

    Volvo will also offer a range of plug in hybrids for all its other models, including some that may have more than one plug-in hybrid option.
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    BMW iX3 Concept front 3/4

    BMW iX3

    BMW revealed its iX3 at the Beijing auto show in April. Like the Audi e-tron, it will deliver just shy of 250 miles on a charge. (That number reflects the new world driving cycle and exceeds the likely rated range in the United States.) Unlike previous BMW electrics, the iX3 will be based on the standard X3 with its steel (not carbon fiber) body. It will have a 270-horsepower electric motor and can charge at up to 150 kw, or a little faster than Tesla Superchargers today.
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    2019 Hyundai Kona Electric

    Hyundai Kona Electric

    Another SUV with a nominal 250-mile range, the Kona is smaller and cheaper than its European competitors. Hyundai says it will have a 64-kwh liquid-cooled battery pack that sits under the floor, 201-horsepower electric motor and get 117 MPGe, higher than the Nissan Leaf. To make room for the battery pack, the Kona electric will get independent rear suspension which should improve handling compared with the standard, front-wheel-drive Kona.
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    2019 Kia Niro EV

    Kia Niro EV

    It may be arguable whether the Niro is really an SUV or a small hatchback, but it fits in the vein of several other cars on this list with an upright hatchback body style and two-wheel drive (front, in the Niro’s case). It is expected to have a 236-mile range from its 39.2-kwh battery pack, and a 201-hp electric motor. The Niro is already on sale as a hybrid and a plug-in hybrid. Kia says its version of the Hyundai Kona will go on sale late this year.
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    Ford's future product planning

    Ford Mach 1

    Ford has widely hinted that it will produce a 300-mile all-electric SUV with styling cues from the Mustang starting in 2020. The vehicle will aim to recreate the off-road performance aura of the F-150 Raptor and may be based on the architecture of the next Ford Escape.
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    Teaser for Tesla Model Y electric SUV due for reveal in 2019

    Tesla Model Y

    Assuming that Tesla emerges triumphant from its “production hell” for the Model 3, its next trick will be to develop the Model Y, an SUV based on the Model 3, complete with the “falcon-wing” doors of the Model X. The Model Y will be smaller than the Model X, and probably limited to five passengers. It’s price is likely to be a little higher than the Model 3, but much cheaper than the Model X. Tesla CEO Elon Musk had said the new SUV would reach production by the end of 2019, but as of the last investor call in which investments were delayed, the Model Y could be pushed into 2020.
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    Byton K-Byte concept

    Byton M-Byte

    Chinese automaker Byton has given rides in its protype SUV and says it will display a more finished production prototype later this year. Our reporter who has ridden in the Byton describes it as a family room on wheels, with a complete flat-screen control center stretching from end to end across the dashboard and a second flat-screen for more controls on the floating, fixed hub of the steering wheel. Byton says the car will offer two battery sizes, 71 and 95 kwh, good for a range of 200 or 310 miles, respectively. The company hopes to bring its electric SUV to market in 2019 starting at about $45,000.
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    Avera Motors high-efficiency vehicle teaser

    Rivian

    At a former Mitsubishi factory in Illinois, a new company is developing a new line of full-size electric vehicles, an SUV and a pickup. Rivian says it will reveal the trucks at the LA auto show in November and that they will go on sale in 2020. The company says each model will have a 450-mile electric range from an 80-kwh battery pack, 800 horsepower, and 0-60 acceleration of 2.8 seconds. It’s worth noting that that’s as fast as the fastest Tesla, with more power, and a smaller battery pack.
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    SF Motors SF7

    SF Motors SF 7

    Chinese automaker SF Motors is developing two SUVs, which it says will go on sale in the U.S. in 2019, the SF 5 and SF 7. Since it has only released drawings of the SF 7, we can only speculate that it may be a seven-passenger SUV with a fastback design. SF Motors says it will have 1,000 horsepower and 300 miles of range. The SF 7 for the U.S. will be produced at a factory SF Motors owns in Indiana, but details have been scarce.
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    Faraday Future FF 91

    Faraday Future FF91

    Faraday Future has struggled to amass the resources to build a car, but following a recent influx of cash, the company says it still plans to introduce its $300,000 electric luxury SUV by the end of 2018. The company says it will have a 378-mile range from a 130-kwh battery. It is slated to have a 1,050 horsepower motor to blast from 0-60 in 2.4 seconds. As an ultra-expensive, super-luxury SUV, the FF91 will be a niche vehicle.
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    Volkswagen ID Crozz concept, 2017 Los Angeles auto show

    Volkswagen I.D. Crozz

    It narrowly misses our timeframe of the next 18 months, but as an electric SUV from a company with a track record of building cars, the VW ID Crozz is worth mentioning. It will be the third car in VW’s upcoming worldwide electric-car lineup, and is due in the latter half of 2020 as a 2021 model. VW says it will have a range of 300 miles from an 83-kwh battery sitting under the floor and will use two electric motors, a 200-hp rear motor complemented by a 100-hp front motor to give the ID Crozz all-wheel drive. The technology in the ID Crozz may trickle down to the hotly anticipated ID Buzz electric Microbus concept.
     
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  2. gorski

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  3. MS_User

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    man u love to blur the lines...all does EVs posted their are design for Europe and Asia people their have a very different mentality...here in the US theirs no appetite for electric cars people here want big huge fast gas gupplers or slick and light Jap cars.....now a city like NY,Chicago, Boston maybe California i would see why they would convert their taxi force and other transportation vehicle to electric but every were else is not going to happen any time soon....the US is a GA$$$$$ nation.
     
  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    ME "blurring the lines" and you come up with this old tosh... :D

    Slick lines - they don't come slicker than EVs...

    Big? Have you seen Tesla Model X?

    Ahem... :p
     
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  5. Krager

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    Gee those cars are all so ugly, except the Tesla and Jaguar are tolerable. What is with the industry and consumers that they want everything to look like an SUV, such an ugly basis for a car design. I don't care if it's electric or gas, I still want a car with some moniker of sex appeal. BTW, I have an Acura RL right now, last of the good looking sedans.
     
  6. MS_User

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    i have a 2010 MDX and i love it....is nine years old and is still nicer than many of the above posted EVs...i also have a Silverado V8

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  7. Bat.1

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  8. Joe C

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    LOL.... eat my diesel soot
     
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  9. gorski

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    Yeah, let's consider - for the sake of an argument - that Krager & co. are right, i.e. that "style over substance" is the way to go (and it isn't correct to say that the new EVs are "uglier", "less sleek" and other crazy nonsense), I would still claim this is nothing but the proof of utter decadence, rotting of the West as we know it... Lemmings following the "fashion" all the way to oblivion...
     
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  10. Joe C

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    Personally I would not drive a car that resembles a cockroach, but somebody out there does because they are on the roads
     
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  11. Krager

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    It baffles me why someone would buy something like this. Certainly there are more attractive options in that price range. I swear the modern consumer has lost all sense of style.
     
  12. zen45

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    it seems most cars look the same any more they just have different or better gadgets inside !
     
  13. MS_User

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    very true some cars feels like u need to take a small course on how to operate all the gadgets it comes with...just looks at the car manual they seem to get bigger all the time.
     
  14. gorski

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    Yep, terrible trouble we're all in... :rolleyes: We have to learn a little, damn! :D

    Mind, I drive mine with 1 foot and 3 fingers, most of the time, so there...

    A Tesla driver could tell you they don't do even that, so go figure...
     
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  15. gorski

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    Just look at the nay-sayers' nightmare right here: how fast the world is changing, despite so many with such deep conservative tendencies, having difficulties thinking (either straight or at all)...

    https://www.motor1.com/news/315491/tesla-musk-truck-towing-ram/amp/

    https://chargedevs.com/newswire/uecc-orders-two-hybrid-battery-lng-car-carrying-ships/

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    Shipping company United European Car Carriers (UECC) has signed a contract to construct two new Pure Car/Truck Carriers (PCTC) with China Ship Building Trading and Jiangnan Shipyard Group. The vessels will be powered by a hybrid battery/liquefied natural gas (LNG) solution, and the first vessel is planned for delivery in 2021.

    Each vessel will have a length of 169 meters, a beam of 28 meters, and a carrying capacity of 3,600 vehicles on 10 cargo decks.

    “UECC’s experience with LNG PCTCs has been very good and there was really no other alternative for us,” said UECC’s Jan Thore Foss. “The LNG solution will reduce the CO2 emission by about 25 percent.”

    https://insideevs.com/taxis-ioslo-electric-wirelessly-fast-charged/

    Fast wireless charging of taxis at 75 kW
    Fortum, an energy company and operator of a charging network, together with the City of Oslo and the American company Momentum Dynamics, intends to build a wireless fast-charging infrastructure for taxis.

    The Norwegian capital already is full of zero-emission cars, but in the case of taxis the problem lies in the conventional charging infrastructure, which is simply not convenient. There is a strong need for a faster, easier and automatic solution.

    “Fortum Charge & Drive has long been working with the taxi industry to enable electrification of the taxi fleet. The greatest hurdle has proved to be the infrastructure: It is too time consuming for taxi drivers to find a charger, plug in and then wait for the car to charge. The wireless fast-charging project aims to solve these issues and thereby reduce climate emissions from the taxi sector – not only in Norway, but in the entire world.”

    https://chargedevs.com/newswire/lion-launches-class-8-urban-electric-truck/

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    Québec-based EV manufacturer The Lion Electric Company has launched an electric Class 8 urban truck, the Lion8. The truck, funded in part by the Québec government’s Climate Change Action Plan, will be commercialized this fall.

    The Lion8 will have a range of 250 miles, and was designed for North American weather and road conditions. The truck has pre-orders from buyers including Société des Alcools du Québec, which is set to receive the first truck.

    https://insideevs.com/u-s-most-affordable-ev-per-mile-range-tesla-model-3/

    Tesla Model 3 lowers the price per mile of range to $141
    The launch of the Tesla Model 3 Standard/Standard Plus battery versions was tremendous news in the past weeks, but it’s the return of Long Range rear-wheel drive version that turns out to be most affordable in terms of price (MSRP + destination charge) per mile of EPA range.

    The Long Range version, after price changes, starts at $44,500 (plus $1,200 D&H), which after $3,750 federal tax credit brings the final effective price to $41,950. After the update, the estimated EPA range is 325 miles (523 km).

    Comparing the values we see the new lowest cost of $141 per mile of EPA range (before tax credit)and $129 per mile of EPA range (after tax credit).

    The second result is 2nd only to the Hyundai Kona Electric, which catches onto $7,500 tax credit (Model 3 LR RWD would be at $118 per mile if $7,500 was still available).

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...-hire-900-new-electric-vehicle-plant-michigan

    Ford announced that its plans to spend $900 million and hire about 900 workers to build electric and self-driving vehicles in Michigan, while moving production of a small commercial van to Mexico from Europe.

    The new facility, scheduled to open in the next two years, will take new commercial-grade hybrid models and incorporate the self-driving technology needed to turn them into autonomous vehicles according to CNBC. Ford is still considering where to build the AV finishing center and has not said how many people will work there.

    https://www.chargepoint.com/blog/charging-mitsubishi-outlander-plug-in-hybrid/

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    The Mitsubishi Outlander Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) is a crossover utility vehicle with DC fast charging. Already the world’s best-selling PHEV, it went on sale in the U.S. and Canada earlier this year. So far, 2018 has seen lots of activity for electric and hybrid SUVs and CUVs, including the launch of the Jaguar I-PACE, Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona, with the Mercedes EQC and Audi e-tron being unveiled soon. Mitsubishi says the Outlander PHEV offers the best of both worlds, with a gas engine and electric motor, plus plenty of cargo space, all-wheel drive, seating for five and towing capability. Plus, it’s competitively priced, starting at $34,595. Here’s a quick overview of the details:

    Starting MSRP $34,595
    All-electric Range (battery size) About 36 miles (12 kWh battery)
    Level 1 Charging (120V) Full charge in under 8 hours
    Level 2 Charging (240V) Full charge in under 4 hours
    DC Fast Charging (CHAdeMO connector) 80% in 25 minutes
    MPGe* 74
    Seats 5
    Notable Features AWD and towing capability
    Powertrain Limited Warranty 10 years, 100,000 miles
    Awards and Recognition Automotive Service Group All-Around Performance
     
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  16. Bat.1

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    Since the world will end in less than 12 years I really don't want to see Children dying so Libtards can feel good about "not polluting"(sic) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4764208/Child-miners-aged-four-living-hell-Earth.html Don't always agree with Amnesty International but I'm behind their push to stop child exploitation. https://insideevs.com/ev-drivers-battery-child-labor/ Here's some tips for those that approve of the child rape and deaths so they can drive a electric car. https://www.businessinsider.com/prius-coal-rolled-2016-9 You'll need them for the next 11.5 years if you meet up with Bat in him Dodge cause him still gonna be Rolling Coal ;)
     
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  17. Joe C

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    Also another great idea...........
    Lets make a billion ev cars with rare minerals! Why? Because there's going to be an oil shortage from using up our resources
     
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    the bad part is what to do with spent batteries or solar cells or any advancement's they all add to the pollution problem, seem like each time we advance like with the electric car we don't look ahead enough to foresee any problems are we just trading old problems for future problems ? be nice to have an anti gravity machine to travel around in but what would power it ? we are users of things, and once used we discard them and the pile is getting high !
     
  19. Krager

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    Industrial exploitation is bad news. That's not something specific to mining materials for batteries. Same thing can be said for lots of other products such as the rare metals used in cell phones (other than the battery). That's a different topic, but still a consideration. In the push to move to a new energy standard what old problems will be replaced by new ones.

    Everything that happens in consumer tech is usually driven by capital interests. Those are notorious for being short sighted. Hard to predict the new problems that can arise from new technology, but the capitalists will definitely whiz right past them.
     
  20. gorski

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    Boy, when people don't read carefully that which they criticise and have "strong objections to" or can't absorb even the basic info... :rolleyes:
     
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