What do you think about Electric Cars?

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Katzenfreund, Aug 24, 2017.

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. MS_User

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    but the low end EVs dont have that range.
     
  2. Joe C

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    Until I see one here and on the road.... I consider it like a majority of posts here about "future" advances.... vapor ware.
    In 3 yrs time I have not seen one of these "future" advances in all of these posts on the actual road and available to the consumer market in mass quantity
     
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  3. Michaela Joy

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  4. Joe C

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    There are a ton of posts about "future" advances.... I think your missing my point.
    All these wonderful things are not here available to the consumer on a large quantity scale from the last 3 years. If it is not here then when do we consider some of these things posted as vapor ware?
     
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  5. gorski

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    How long has ICE been on the roads to achieve this level of efficiency? And you want it yesteryear?
     
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  6. nodnar

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    batteries are garbage. just look a the life cycle of your laptop. a year, at best and then you need a permanent
    connection with a socket. face facts, folks there is just NO way to store electrickery for longer periods of time.
    and ` ìn the future`it will be NO better`.green propaganda notwithstanding.
     
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  7. Joe C

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    History of ICE emmisions:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_emissions_control

    History of EV LI-ION batteries:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_battery

    Eh... not a lot of improvement since 1979....
    ( only in "labs" and beta ware)
     
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  9. Bat.1

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    I constantly run across 20-30 Year old Honda ATV batteries that are still working perfectly :g: How de he11 was Honda making sealed lead/acid batteries 30 years ago that are still working when the average auto battery lasts 5 years :dunno:
     
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  11. gorski

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    Soooo much misinformation, it hurts...

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-400k-km-250k-mi-7-percent-battery-degradation/

    Finnish Tesla Model S taxi driver crosses 400,000 km, 93% of battery life remains

    Ari Nyyssönen, a Finnish taxi driver, has racked up an impressive 400,000 kilometers (250,000 miles) in his Tesla Model S and is confident that the car could last until 1 million kilometers or over 621,000 miles.

    Nyyssönen’s experience sings a different tune from the consistent upkeep and maintenance required by internal combustion engine vehicles. ICE vehicles can sometimes rack up thousands of dollars in repair costs over the course of a 100,000 mile life cycle due to the complexity of the countless number of moving parts. By contrast, Tesla’s minimalistic design approach – siding with software-based features over hardware – combined with the simplified nature of electric cars makes their true cost of ownership far cheaper than that of an ICE car.

    https://www.mining.com/researchers-in-canada-develop-million-mile-lithium-ion-battery/

    Researchers in Canada develop million-mile lithium-ion battery

    A group of scientists led by Jeff Dahn, a professor at Canada’s Dalhousie University and a research partner with Tesla, published a paper in the Journal of The Electrochemical Society where they present the concept of a new battery able to power an electric vehicle for over one million miles.

    The battery, thus, could make Tesla’s robot taxis and long-haul electric trucks viable. It is also expected to last at least two decades in grid energy storage.

    The power cell uses a nickel-rich alloy for its cathode. The alloy contains 50% nickel, 20% cobalt, and 30% manganese and is considered to be very stable.

    The cells’ ratio of energy storage ability to weight is 20% higher than that of the cathodes used in lithium-ion batteries used in electronic devices.

    According to the researchers — who have been working on the model for over three years- their product should serve as a benchmark for academics and companies developing advanced lithium-ion cell chemistries.

    “These results are far superior to those that have been used by researchers modelling cell failure mechanisms and as such, these results are more representative of modern Li-ion cells and should be adopted by modellers,” researchers wrote.

    “Of all the cells tested, the ones with the longest lifetime are the single crystal NMC532/AG cells with optimized electrolytes reported here,” the authors of the report wrote.

    “We conclude that cells of this type should be able to power an electric vehicle for over 1.6 million kilometres (1 million miles) and last at least two decades in grid energy storage.”

    They also determined that even with constant use at high temperatures, at least 1.2 million kilometres could be achieved.

    “Even if the cells were continually at 40°C, 10 years of lifetime to 70% capacity and a total driven distance of 1,200,000 km is projected,” they wrote.
     
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  12. gorski

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    I bet these technical issues will be overcome within 5-10 years maximum....

    "...life time of silicon anodes was far too short to really use them in chargeable and rechargeable batteries. The reason for this is the high sensitivity of the material. During charging, lithium ions move back and forth between the anode and cathode. Silicon, as the material with the highest energy density, can take up a remarkable number of lithium ions. While doing so, it expands by 400 percent, and would break in the long run."

    https://phys.org/news/2018-04-silicon-storage-material-batteries-future.html

    Silicon has long been a potential candidate for the e-lectric mobility, according to materials scientist Dr. Sandra Hansen. "Theoretically, silicon is the best material for anodes in batteries. It can store up to 10 times more energy than graphite anodes in conventional lithium-ion batteries." Electric cars could drive further, smartphone batteries could last longer, and recharging would be significantly faster. An additional advantage of the semiconductor material is its unlimited availability—after all, sand consists largely of silicon dioxide. "Silicon is the second most abundant element on earth after oxygen, and thus an almost unlimited cost-effective resource," said Hansen.
     
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    If they succeed they will solve that as well, I presume...
     
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  16. gorski

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    ...what a waste...

    But I bet they will be recycled eventually, when we invent better tools...
     
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    #1158 MS_User, Feb 6, 2020
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    is business sell parts lets do the numbers how many cars are on the road to ATVs;) that being said a EV motor will consume more electricity that ATV dont forget the rest of the electronics in the car like radio navigation system the AC the lights and every other accessories u hook up to the car like your phone tablets anything else that uses electricity to run the battery life will last much less.
     
  19. Joe C

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    #1159 Joe C, Feb 6, 2020
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  20. Bat.1

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    The problem with recycling batteries is the same with mining the rare earth mineral used to make them Before investing 100's of Millions of dollars in Safe Technology, Industry will continue to pay people in 3rd World countries a Dollar-a-Day o_O
     
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