What do you think about Electric Cars?

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Here, American colleagues, have a go and do tell:

    https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/rentals

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    The unprecedented combination of industry-leading power, control, and connection. The SR/F delivers 140 ft-lbs of torque and 110 horsepower with the simple twist of a throttle thanks to the class-leading performance and efficiency of Zero’s new ZF75-10 motor and ZF14.4 lithium-ion battery.
     
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  2. gorski

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    The NAY-sayers, quite plentiful not so long ago, are now silent to the bone, as it were.... A deafening silence... :p

    Ford Europe Goes All-In on Electric Vehicles

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    Ford has committed that by mid-2026, 100 percent of Ford's passenger vehicle range in Europe will be zero-emissions capable, all-electric or plug-in hybrid, and will be completely all-electric by 2030. Similarly, Ford's entire commercial vehicle range will be zero-emissions capable, all-electric or plug-in hybrid, by 2024, with two-thirds of Ford's commercial vehicle sales expected to be all-electric or plug-in hybrid by 2030.

    The news comes after Ford reporting, in the fourth quarter of 2020, a return to profit in Europe and announced it was investing at least $22 billion globally in electrification through 2025, nearly twice the company's previous EV investment plans. For further information see the IDTechEx report on Electric Vehicles: Land, Sea and Air 2021-2041.

    "We successfully restructured Ford of Europe and returned to profitability in the fourth quarter of 2020. Now we are charging into an all-electric future in Europe with expressive new vehicles and a world-class connected customer experience," said Stuart Rowley, president, Ford of Europe. "We expect to continue our strong momentum this year in Europe and remain on track to deliver our goal of a six percent EBIT margin as part of Ford's plan to turnaround our global automotive operations."

    Central to Ford's transformation of its operations in Europe over the past two years were a $1 billion improvement in structural costs, addressing underperforming markets, the creation of a more targeted vehicle line up within three customer-focused business groups, and partnerships to drive growth and improved levels of profitability across the business.
     
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  3. gorski

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    If we do this - WOW!!!!

    https://cleantechnica.com/2021/02/2...reat-charging-just-1000-down-is-so-important/

    Why Electric Tractors Are So Great, & Charging Just $1000 Down Is So Important

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    Quiet zero emission power in the field — the eUtility tractor can be charged from renewable energy or the electrical grid. Image courtesy of Solectrac.

    While electric cars and trucks are a big part of solving pollution and climate change, we shouldn’t forget that the cost benefits are going to be a big part of getting them into driveways. The same is true for many other types of vehicles. One example most of us are familiar with: electric lawnmowers.

    We can’t all be farmers, but many of us have a lawn and maybe a small garden or patch of woods. In our garages and sheds we have things like leaf blowers, cutters, chainsaws, and mowers. When those things are powered by gas, they run right most of the time, but can be a big pain when they don’t. Fouled spark plugs, clogged lines, and the eventual demise of the little two-stroke engine all get in the way of getting work done at some point, leaving our spouse mad that things on the honey-do list aren’t getting done.

    If you’re using that equipment professionally, there’s just not a lot of time for headaches. A spouse annoyed that the yard work didn’t get done will be a lot more than annoyed if the bills aren’t getting paid. But, do you know what will make your loved ones happy? Bringing home more money. They always like that.

    That’s where the electric tractor, like the one Solectrac is bringing to market, really shines.

    With the gas tractor, you’re not making money with it when you’re fixing it up. If you aren’t a DIY mechanic, you’re not only suffering the downtime, but you’re paying a mechanic money to wrench on it. Both of those things cut into the bottom line and keep you from buying your kid that Xbox Series X or Playstation 5, while your fuel costs are keeping jewelry out of the wife’s jewelry box. If mama and the kids aren’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.

    But with the electric tractor, there’s less downtime for maintenance, so you can keep moving dirt around and getting paid. Solectrac says the costs are cut down to ⅓ of what you’d pay to keep the diesel tractor running. And fuel? Grid electricity is cheap compared to gas or diesel, and it’s even cheaper if you get solar put in at the house or garage. Plus, the next time gas prices spike, you’ll sit that debacle out.

    All of that makes it a complete no-brainer, but that wasn’t enough for Solectrac.
     
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    Hyundai's new electric car has a solar panel roof and can charge other EVs

    By John McCann 4 days ago
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    The Hyundai Ioniq 5 has been officially announced, and this fully electric, mid-size CUV (crossover SUV) comes with a raft of tech as standard – and even more as options, including solar panels on its roof.

    Originally seen at the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show as the 45 EV concept, the car had seen a few design tweaks to get it to its current form – the Hyundai Ioniq 5.
     
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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921344919303088 - scientific overview of the conditions for various strategies...

    https://www.idtechex.com/en/researc...packs-scenario-forecasting-tool-2021-2031/803 - less scientific but...

    https://www.electricvehiclesresearc...t-production-of-solid-state-batteries-for-evs

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    "Melt-infiltration technology is the key advance. The cycle life and stability of Li-ion batteries depend strongly on the operating conditions, particularly temperature," Georgia Tech graduate student Yiran Xiao explained. "If batteries are overheated for a prolonged period, they commonly begin to degrade prematurely, and overheated batteries may catch on fire. That has prompted nearly all electric vehicles (EV) to include sophisticated and rather expensive cooling systems." In contrast, solid-state batteries may only require heaters, which are significantly less expensive than cooling systems.

    Yushin and Xiao are encouraged by the potential of this manufacturing process to enable battery makers to produce lighter, safer, and more energy-dense batteries.

    "The developed melt-infiltration technology is compatible with a broad range of material chemistries, including so-called conversion-type electrodes. Such materials have been demonstrated to increase automotive cell energy density by over 20% now and by more than 100% in the future," said co-author and Georgia Tech research scientist Kostiantyn Turcheniuk, noting that higher density cells support longer driving ranges. The cells need high-capacity electrodes for that performance leap.

    https://www.electricvehiclesresearc...ctric-vertical-take-off-and-landing-air-taxis

    Preparing for Take-Off: Electric Vertical Take-off & Landing Air Taxis
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    Many of the world's largest aerospace and automotive companies are ramping up their interest in electric vertical take-off and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, recognising their potential as a disruptive new transport mode. Toyota, for example have invested nearly $400 million in eVTOL start-up Joby Aviation whilst Hyundai have announced they are spending $1.5 billion over 5-years on developing urban air mobility operations. Aircraft manufactures, Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, and Bell all have ongoing air taxi development programmes whilst a host of start-ups, located around the world, are on the pathway to certifying eVTOL aircraft. Major aerospace suppliers like SAFRAN, Rolls-Royce and Honeywell are investing in technologies for eVTOL aircraft and composite material manufacturers like Toray and Hexcel are working with OEMs on advanced lightweight materials for aviation applications. There are opportunities for companies across numerous cutting-edge technologies, including lithium metal batteries, advanced composites, and axial flux motors. We are living in exciting times where the advancement of key technologies is enabling electric vertical take-off and landing aircraft to become a reality
     
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    Have searched and cant find a news report that i heard on ntv wich is an international news channel .......... where they reported about an incident with an electric car in china ........... the incident was caused by outside electronic / electrostatic ? interferance . Did anyone else hear that ? Anyone got a link please ?
     
  10. gorski

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    EM pulse would affect any processor operated machine, yes...
     
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    #1291 case-sensitive, Mar 18, 2021
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    Yes ....... but on a so small scale .......... i'm interested to know what the report said , what it was and how . It definately wasnt a nuclear explosion :)

    Was it an accident ? That theres some sort of source for it that exists in general life = a repeatable risk . Maybe high voltage power cables ...... or transformers .

    Was it deliberate and directed ? Were other electric aplicatiions effected ?

    IF its true itrs worrying . That an EMP can f**k electronics is a simple fact .......... but .......... how to direct it so that it doesnt f**k every electronic apliance in the area ?

    Maybe not EMP but directed microwaves ?

    It opens a new line of thought in me ........... hiow easy it would be to make an electronic interference weapon that could be directed and focused on an electric system .
     
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    Too late - almost every car already has processors running vital functions...
     
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    https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...&utm_medium=social-organic&utm_source=twitter

    Lithium battery costs have fallen by 98% in three decades
    In a few years electric vehicles may cost the same as their combustion-engine counterparts

    Mar 31st 2021
    BATTERIES HAVE come a long way in 30 years. In the early 1990s the storage capacity needed to power a house for a day would have cost about $75,000. The cells themselves would have weighed 113kg (250lbs) and taken up as much space as a beer keg. Today the same amount of power can be delivered at a cost of less than $2,000, from a 40kg package roughly the size of a small backpack.

    Such technological progress is crucial for decarbonising the global economy. One of the shortcomings of renewable energy sources is their inconsistency: the sun does not always shine and the wind does not always blow. Batteries can help solve this problem by storing up surplus power when supply is high, for use when it is low. A steadier supply of electricity could eliminate the need for “peakers”—generation plants powered by fossil fuels that utilities bring online only when demand rises sharply, for example on hot days when air-conditioners are cranked up. Such carbon-belching facilities, which run only for a few hours each year, are expensive to build and run, raising costs for consumers.
     
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  14. gorski

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    Well, there you go, this is how you do it, babe:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-new-ev-consumer-rebates-email-idUSKBN2BU3BA

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Biden administration’s $174 billion proposal to boost electric vehicles calls for $100 billion in new consumer rebates and $15 billion to build 500,000 new electric vehicle charging stations, according to a Transportation Department email sent to congressional staff and seen by Reuters.

    The new EV rebates, part of a $2.3 trillion infrastructure and jobs proposal, would be a potential big boost to U.S. automakers, especially General Motors and Tesla Inc, which no longer qualify for $7,500 rebates after they sold more than 200,000 zero-emission models.

    The plan also calls for $20 billion for electric school buses, $25 billion for zero emission transit vehicles and $14 billion in other tax incentives.
     
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    https://www.electricvehiclesresearc...0-project-a-truly-climate-neutral-car-by-2030

    At least some of the issues:

    "In Polestar's first annual review, published on 07 April 2021, the Swedish electric performance car brand announces its moonshot goal to create the first truly climate neutral car by 2030.

    Environmental experts have warned that offsetting is not sustainable in the long run. Questions around the long-term carbon-storage capacity of forests and soils remain, as a forest might be logged, devastated by fire or altered by climate change. For more information see the IDTechEx report on Advanced Electric Cars 2020-2040.

    "Offsetting is a cop-out," says Thomas Ingenlath, Polestar CEO. "By pushing ourselves to create a completely climate-neutral car, we are forced to reach beyond what is possible today. We will have to question everything, innovate and look to exponential technologies as we design towards zero."

    Polestar's Head of Sustainability, Fredrika Klarén, says: "We're electric, so we don't have to worry about combustion engines producing toxic emissions - but that doesn't mean our job is done. We will now work to eradicate all emissions stemming from production. Now is a historic and exciting time for car makers, an opportunity to seize the moment, do better and dare to build the dream of climate-neutral, circular and beautiful cars.""
     
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  17. Top Speed
    120Km/h
    0-60Km/h
    3.9s
    Single Charge
    450Km (3 Battery packs included)

    Max Torque
    28Nm@2800RPM

     
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    Eviation Closer to Flying All-Electric Aircraft Alice
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    Eviation Aircraft, a global manufacturer of all-electric aircraft, has taken delivery of the first Alice electric propulsion unit (EPU) from magniX, a major milestone in the build of Alice as it prepares for first flight later this year.

    The Alice all-electric aircraft, which can fly nine passengers for up to 440 nautical miles, will be powered exclusively by magniX propulsion systems. The flight-proven magniX EPUs have been powering aircraft in flight since December of 2019 and are on a path to FAA Part 33 certification in 2022. The EPUs offer an exceptional level of redundancy and reliability with consistent performance. For further information see the IDTechEx report on Manned Electric Aircraft: Smart City and Regional 2021-2041.

    "The magniX delivery is one of the key milestones in getting emission free, low-cost, all-electric aviation off the ground with the first flight of Alice," said Eviation CEO Omer Bar-Yohay. "After many successful flights and tests of the magniX EPUs, we're confident the system will propel us to bringing Alice to market and delivering a sustainable, scalable mobility solution that will revolutionize passenger and cargo flights."


    "The Alice is the epitome of the future of air transportation. All-electric by design, taking advantage of light-weight powerful and reliable propulsion systems," said Roei Ganzarski, CEO of magniX. "Together, we will enable a great flying experience - zero emissions, quieter, lower cost, all from and to airports closer to more communities."

    Eviation will soon begin a robust flight testing and certification program.

    https://www.electricvehiclesresearc...-closer-to-flying-all-electric-aircraft-alice
     
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    https://solarchargeddriving.com/202...Mt3nHW7Dx1ppkKfl-rwig56ZHD4blsQpHmNlVa-BpK5HQ

    EV vs. gasoline vehicle purchasing cost comparison
    1. According to LendingTree.Com, the average monthly car payment for a new car in the United States = $563. Yes, that’s right, more than $500 per month!
    2. The average monthly lease payment for a new car = $450.
    3. The average monthly payment for a used car = $397
    4. You can buy, or lease, a new EV for less than these averages, often far less: I, myself, lease a 2020 Chevy Bolt for $289/month and I get 12,000 miles per year. There are countless other examples of EV drivers who are paying what I am, or who are paying less, per month to drive an EV.
    EV vs. gasoline vehicle fueling cost comparison
    1. The average American spends somewhere between $1,500 and $2,500 per year on gasoline, depending on a variety of variables, including fuel economy, cost of gasoline in different regions, whether one lives in a rural or urban area, etc.
    2. Most reliable studies/analyses show that the average cost to fuel an EV is one-third the cost, or less, of the $1,500 that marks the typical minimum average that most Americans spend on gasoline per year. I, myself, pay $300 per year to fuel my Bolt 12,000 miles per year.
    EV vs. gasoline vehicle maintenance cost comparison
    1. According to multiple reputable sources (AAA, Consumer Reports), maintenance costs for electric vehicles are anywhere from two to three times LESS than those for a comparable gasoline vehicle.
    So, no, electric vehicles are not “too expensive.”
     
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    https://www.greencarreports.com/new...harging-awareness-is-holding-back-ev-adoption

    Study: Lack of home-charging awareness is holding back EV adoption
    Consumers are uneducated about home charging for electric cars, and that's holding back adoption, according to the J.D. Power 2021 EV Home Charging Study.

    Brent Gruber, J.D. Power senior director of global automotive and author of the study, said in a statement that "the lack of awareness around charging options is making it very difficult to move toward mass-market adoption,"

    Study respondents showed a "low level" of awareness of the different charging levels, including Level 1 and Level 2 AC and DC fast charging, Gruber said.

    In addition, 47% of home owners with Level 1 charging installed were unaware of financial incentives for installation of Level 2 home-charging stations, the study found. Making EV drivers aware of options for upgrading to Level 2 charging is important because Level 1 really isn't adequate for frequent use or long trips, Gruber said, adding that owner satisfaction was appreciably higher with Level 2 home charging.
     
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