What do you think about Electric Cars?

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Katzenfreund, Aug 24, 2017.

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Will your next car be electric?

  1. My next car will be electric

  2. I’ll wait several years for prices to drop

  3. I’m not convinced by them, I’ll buy conventional

  4. I am undecided, far more info is required

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  1. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Hahaha, that's what I call independent information.

    I had to find a armchair historian kid to open my eyes.:roflmao:
     
  2. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    If you check the records you may start cringing just how uninformed - and then worse still, as you keep insisting, fuelled by your stupid need to "know it all" - how truly foolish you seem in these matters...
     
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    #1603 acer-5100, Jan 22, 2024
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    The Tesla v.s. Marconi cospirationist/revisionist theories started in 1943 when a U.S. supreme court sentence ruled in favor of Tesla to protect the US Army which had a trial with the Marconi's company. (As usual everything is about $$, the truth is a different matter)

    The usual US nationalism did the rest to throw mud toward Marconi and his company.

    That's all, but I'm sure hoping that you understand that is asking too much.

    When facts doesn't cope well with your imaginary world, just ignore them. Isn't It?

    But just in case Nikola Tesla: The Guy Who DIDN'T "Invent Radio"
     
  4. gorski

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    Yeah, Tesla's patents weren't legal before Marconi's, which is why he couldn't get his patent registered in the US and that was way before the '43 court case and the money involved, he didn't demonstrate publicly any of it in action, "'Telsa's oscillator' was not known to Marconi" is a laughable claim, as the comment in 1903 was clear:

    "Many of the claims are not patentable over Tesla patent numbers 645,576 and 649,621, of record, the amendment to overcome said references as well as Marconi's pretended ignorance of the nature of a "Tesla oscillator" being little short of absurd... the term "Tesla oscillator" has become a household word on both continents [Europe and North America]."

    Moreover, if there was any real £$ considerations it came from Marconi's side:

    "In 1900, the Marconi Wireless Telegraph Company, Ltd. began thriving in the stock markets—due primarily to Marconi's family connections with English aristocracy. British Marconi stock soared from $3 to $22 per share and the glamorous young Italian nobleman was internationally acclaimed. Both Edison and Andrew Carnegie invested in Marconi and Edison became a consulting engineer of American Marconi. Then, on December 12, 1901, Marconi for the first time transmitted and received signals across the Atlantic Ocean."

    And so "your" case has been blown out of the water, kicked right out of court, using your own "logic" of either "primacy" or "£$£ involved"...

    Laughable!

    P.S. The only gentleman in all this was Tesla, who could also show you the way: "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents."
     
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  5. acer-5100

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    #1605 acer-5100, Jan 23, 2024
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    You are still pretty confused in taking apart an invention, ans making it practical to use (Very likely you mix the two things to create confusion to drive the readers away from the point.)

    And there are a huge list of products or services where the two things don't come from the same people.

    Jobs nor Android (the company) invent the smartphone

    The wright brothers didn't fly a plane first, the Brazilian Alberto-Santos Dumont (and others) did

    Edison didn't invent the incandescence lamp, the Italian Cruto, the British Swan, and others came first

    Is highly debatable who invented the rotating magnetic fields and multi-phase current and motors, between the Italian Galileo Ferraris and (again) Tesla

    And I can continue for a day.

    Usually the US economic power wins, the Marconi case was just a bit of corner case given he also had some economic and political power who backed him.

    Otherwise his memory would be quickly obliterated, just like happened to Meucci that almost no one remembers or Cruto which in 2024 is an unknown name even in Italy.

    The sad part is that someone who spend his time talking about anti-capitalism and open mind is the first who back the capitalist propaganda and the American chauvinism .
     
  6. gorski

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    If you said "ex-Yugoslav/Serbian chauvinism" maybe I'd understand (at least) - but this...???:D:p:D

    I mean, I wiped the floor with your "argument" using your own "logic" but you're...

    Oh, dear... Seriously, you're gone, man...

    Ciao...
     
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  7. acer-5100

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    Tesla is obviously seen as Serbian, Croatian, or American depending what kind of chauvinism is intended to please.

    On the other hand no one thinks that Marconi was British.

    Do you mean you stop trolling on this thread? Too good to be true...
     
  8. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Indeed, stop embarrassing yourself so freely...
     
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  9. acer-5100

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    Indeed trying to educate a bossy ignorant like you, w/o any success, is a bit embarrassing.

    But I love lost causes :rasta:
     
  10. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Yeah, god forbid anybody try to correct you - and you call me bossy... Shoot...

    Indeed, you love yourself more than anything...
     
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    Bat must be lost :confused: Him was looking for Serious Discussion section o_O
     
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    another piece of news from our government
    looks like their idea to tax us,
    isn't going to stop anytime soon

    I do wonder, how they gonna charge you per km
    let's say, for demonstration, I drive my electric car,
    how do they know how many KM I did?

    I heard a plan before,
    they going to check the time, between each location
    for speed limit purposes, maybe they will use this tech' too
    against us?
     
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  13. acer-5100

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    Serious discussions are meant for adults, not for Bat :schmorch:
     
  14. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Haha, speaking of serious discussions, are you serious?
     
  15. Bat.1

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    Bat had a 9 Hour "Brownout" here yesterday from 2:30 pm to 11:30 pm :( Felt like he had already moved to "The Province" when he had to light the kerosene lights o_O Killed his Craptop and iPhone batteries guarding The Internet :mad: Luckily him didn't have anywhere he needed to go, But if he did, He knew burning oil could get him there and back ;)
     
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  16. Dark Dinosaur

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    Our government conditioner disable low import tax & yearly test costs for electric cars
    It's will return 500M a year
    Now they already expensive, about 150K and up
    After the new rules.. will cost 200k ... And more
    Maybe our government understand that green cars idea is a bulls**t idea ?
    And make them lose money ...
     
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  17. acer-5100

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    So you have more money that can be used to kill more Palestinians? :censored:
     
  18. Dark Dinosaur

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    I don't know
    You can ask them
    I kill no one
    Even ants ..
    (But maybe I will kill Acer 5100 :D)
     
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    #1619 Dark Dinosaur, Feb 22, 2024
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    Unless you not a 3 world country
    You need money for ..
    economy teaching hospitals roads & more
    And even to protect yourself/kill your enemies
    And if green cars make you lose money
    You need to get it back somehow
    I always said green cars is bulls**t
    That someone is sell the world to gain more profits to himself
    Is Tesla factory consider green ?
    Is make battery for Tesla is clean process?
     
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  20. acer-5100

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    Sure. That's what we call society


    Well, not having enemies is more effective than killing them.


    That's not your business, I mean AFAIK Israel never had a automotive industry. So there is nothing to protect.

    What changes for you if the car you buy is built in Italy, Germany, US or China?

    That's a problem for traditional makers, but I can't blame Musk because FIAT or Mercedes arrived 80 years late to the electric cars party

    We live in a free world, you can write as many blatant lies and wrong facts as you like, but being allowed to write doesn't turn BS in facts.


    In capitalist world the only way to make something right accepted is to turn it in a business.

    It's (obviously) better If someone becomes richer building clean cars than someone becomes richer polluting the planet with dirty fuels.
    Compared to what?

    Why not turn on a couple of neurons and reply yourself

    A lithium battery last a decade, is built using lithium (something you can eat w/o being killed instantaneously), which is one of the most common element in the earth surface, and at the end of it's life a single big battery is easy to be collected and recycled.

    A fossil fuel requires an endless chain of dirty practices.

    You pollute when you search for fuels

    You pollute when you extract it

    You pollute when you transport it.

    You pollute when you burn it (especially when you burn it inside an internal combustion engine).

    There is no recycling there, a tank of fuel last for a travel, not for 10+ years.

    It's a summary but it's enough to make a 6 years old child to give a unique reply.

    So what prevent a educated, grown up guy from Israel to reach the same conclusion?