Which editions of Windows 11 contain all the features?

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by catosis, Jul 4, 2022.

  1. AveYo

    AveYo MDL Expert

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    Pro for Education is now a gimmick for snob school principals. In practice is a major downgrade from pure Education. It was intended to cover "discounted" Pro (MS took billions for governments yet they still tried to ripoff education institutions).
    Pro for Workstations is now a gimmick for snob rich people with multi-socket cpu's and terabytes of ram. Scientists know better to use the real deal, Enterprise, for such unreachable higher-end hardware support.
    Education is the best MS has to offer privacy-wise because it's subsidised by governments worldwide. Also the reason why it's not trivial to license (you need to be either a student or an worker in an eligible education institution).
    Enterprise LTSC is better bloat-wise out-of-the-box, but not privacy-wise out-of-the-box. And it's quite expensive to license. The 2021 one is quite insidious compared to 2015 and 2016 editions (don't care about 2019, it's a horrible build).
    Normal Enterprise is meh without debloating and serious work at shutting up stuff (normally the enterprise sector has an IT department qualified to deal with that). In some cases, it can be worst than running Home or Pro, because MS makes assumptions you are qualified to run it and won't "protect you from yourself" as aggressively as on Home and Pro.
     
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  2. pm67310

    pm67310 MDL Guru

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    ltsc 1809 with full update are full stable :)

    only ltsc 1809 are bad with base 17763.1
     
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  3. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    As I wrote many time I consider 1809 the worst build of the whole W10/Server history, then your mileage may vary depending on your needs and your specific HW.


    17763.1 is not more unstable than updated 17763.xxx . It has a buggy installer that affects in place upgrades (a minor share of them) leading to a user profile loss.

    Which has nothing to do with stability
     
  4. AveYo

    AveYo MDL Expert

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    1809 is exploitable (EoP, data sniffing, the whole jazz) on pre 4th gen Intel at least (even the first batch of haswell are not fine), marginally better than 1803, 1709, and 1703 (that are even worse).
    Unfixable without breaking driver-level compatibility. I would not run any of them without a strong internet security suite (not just av) or hardware firewall.
    1607 and 1507 despite being older, are not broken. 1903+ is where "proper" windows start again (but it's a two-edged sword, since that's where chredge push intensifies as well).
     
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  5. pm67310

    pm67310 MDL Guru

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    use latest 1809 iso public consumer base / and make ltsc install.wim up to date

    replace install.wim from consumer iso

    with ltsc install.wim enjoy full stable iso

    edit replace ei.cfg from consumer iso with ltsc ei.cfg
     
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  6. pm67310

    pm67310 MDL Guru

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    use 17763.1817 iso consummer as base

     
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  7. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Isn't more obvious to update the ISO to the level you need?

    BTW all my installs are on native.vhdx if something goes wrong during an in place upgrade I just throw away the affected vhd and restart the process
     
  8. RobrPatty

    RobrPatty MDL Expert

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    Nice OS.

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  9. pm67310

    pm67310 MDL Guru

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    17763.1817 boot.wim

    and integrate offline with dism last update on install.wim
     
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  10. RobrPatty

    RobrPatty MDL Expert

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    Updated LTSC install.wim:

    ============================================================
    Running W10UI v10.20
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    ============================================================
    Extracting files from update cabinets (.cab)...
    *** This will require some disk space, please be patient ***
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    1/3: windows10.0-kb5000822-x64.cab [LCU]
    2/3: windows10.0-kb5000822-x64-baseless.cab [LCU]
    3/3: windows10.0-kb5000859-x64.cab [SSU]

    ============================================================
    Mounting install.wim - index 1/2
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    Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
    Version: 10.0.25158.1000

    Mounting image
    [==========================100.0%==========================]
    The operation completed successfully.

    ============================================================
    Checking Updates...
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    ============================================================
    Installing servicing stack update...
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    Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
    Version: 10.0.25158.1000

    Image Version: 10.0.17763.1

    Processing 1 of 1 - Adding package Package_for_KB5000859~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~17763.1812.1.1
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    The operation completed successfully.

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    Installing updates...
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    Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
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    Image Version: 10.0.17763.1

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    .NET 3.5 feature: source folder not defined or detected

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    Updating winre.wim ...
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    Image Index : 1
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    1 file(s) copied.

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    Image File : C:\W10UI_10.2\install.wim
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    Installing servicing stack update...
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    Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
    Version: 10.0.25158.1000

    Image Version: 10.0.17763.1

    Processing 1 of 1 - Adding package Package_for_KB5000859~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~17763.1812.1.1
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    The operation completed successfully.

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    Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
    Version: 10.0.25158.1000

    Image Version: 10.0.17763.1

    Processing 1 of 2 - Adding package Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~17763.1817.1.5
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    Processing 2 of 2 - Adding package Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~amd64~~17763.1817.1.5
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    .NET 3.5 feature: source folder not defined or detected

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    1 file(s) copied.

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    Deployment Image Servicing and Management tool
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    Image File : C:\W10UI_10.2\install.wim
    Image Index : 2
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    The operation completed successfully.

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    Removing temporary extracted files...
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  11. RobrPatty

    RobrPatty MDL Expert

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    Question is do I add updated .wim to consumer 17763.1817?

    Or do I add updated .wim to original extracted LTSC ISO along with boot.wim from consumer 17763.1817?

    Cos your 2nd post contradicts 1st post
     
  12. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    I always add the updated consumer/business/ltsc boot.wim/install.wim(esd) to the consumer ISO.
    Code:
     1. "Win 10 (21H2) Home nl-NL (19044.1826)"
     2. "Win 10 (21H2) Home nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     3. "Win 10 (21H2) Home nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID)"
     4. "Win 10 (21H2) Home nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID - OPP21 - KMS)"
     5. "Win 10 (21H2) Professional nl-NL (19044.1826)"
     6. "Win 10 (21H2) Professional nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     7. "Win 10 (21H2) Professional nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID)"
     8. "Win 10 (21H2) Professional nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID - OPP21 - KMS)"
     9. "Win 10 (21H2) Education nl-NL (19044.1826)"
     10. "Win 10 (21H2) Education nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     11. "Win 10 (21H2) Education nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID)"
     12. "Win 10 (21H2) Education nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID - OPP21 - KMS)"
     13. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Education nl-NL (19044.1826)"
     14. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Education nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     15. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Education nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID)"
     16. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Education nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID - OPP21 - KMS)"
     17. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Workstation nl-NL (19044.1826)"
     18. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Workstation nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     19. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Workstation nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID)"
     20. "Win 10 (21H2) Pro-Workstation nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID - OPP21 - KMS)"
     21. "Win 10 (21H2) Enterprise nl-NL (19044.1826)"
     22. "Win 10 (21H2) Enterprise nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     23. "Win 10 (21H2) Enterprise nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID)"
     24. "Win 10 (21H2) Enterprise nl-NL (19044.1826 - MRP - HWID - OPP21 - KMS)"
     25. "Win 10 (21H2) (IoT) Enterprise 2021 LTSC  (19044.1826)"
     26. "Win 10 (21H2) (IoT) Enterprise 2021 LTSC  (19044.1826 - MRP)"
     27. "Win 10 (21H2) (IoT) Enterprise 2021 LTSC  (19044.1826 - MRP - OPP21 - KMS)"
     
  13. RobrPatty

    RobrPatty MDL Expert

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    Got it! Thx Enthousiast & pm67310:

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  14. RobrPatty

    RobrPatty MDL Expert

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    Also able to install store, good deal
     
  15. Super Spartan

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    I'm trying to find the difference between Enterprise vs Education but all I see is that they are exactly the same only Education is meant to be used for Education entities (obviously you can use it for whatever you want) and Enterprise is meant to be used for businesses? Is there something I'm missing?
     
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  16. AveYo

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    Government subsidised. That should be enough for a full stop.
    No other edition is as private out-of-the-box (this is always put to test in education strongholds around the world). And not just client-side. No 3rd-party bloat by default. Telemetry tamed by default. Education policies that actually work (which is a super-set over Enterprise, not the other way around). Highest upgrade coverage. It even used to have a rigorously curated alternative Store (rip, ms took advantage of snob school principals to sell them parity with the s**tty consumer one).
    Do note that the proper Education "experience" is only achievable via legit school account. But even without it, it's still the best, imho.
    But "pirates" around here will invariably chase the s**ttier Enterprise LTS* each release (and it's quite s**ttier without harshly managing it), when they could legally get Education for free (being a student or work in education is only required at the time of "purchase" - it does not expire once you graduate).
     
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