Why moving to Linux to avoid Microsoft spying is impossible for most people

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  1. SOCRATE_MMXII

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  2. Superfly

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  3. Skaendo

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    I have been playing with Conky for the first time, on Slackware and FreeBSD, and while it doesn't show (or I don't have it set up) connections, it does have a network graph. On Slackware I can see it tick for just a second every minute or so for what I am thinking is just a ping to the router, but on FreeBSD it will just sit there for hours doing nothing. As for any other distro, I cannot tell you.

    Wireshark is available for Linux and is more than adequate to show what connections are coming and going.
     
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  4. Skaendo

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  5. nodnar

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    as a total newbe in linux, i must leave the answers/ list to the experts.. but my cheapo lappy runs mint, with no troubles..
    installed like a dream, if very slowly, and for browsing it is more than adequate. it gives me some linux-typical irritations, of course, there are no drive letters to be found, and you have to use idiotic commands like sudo, mount, mkdir instead of simply md, but i like mint a lot, for what that is worth, with the right price too.. better than my legal w7.. ;)
     
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  6. YessMann

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    No all the Linux distros are safe.
    Will u use the North Korea Linux or Red China Linux?
    Pls refer the news of ios store has kicked out a lot of red China apps a month ago.
     
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  7. SOCRATE_MMXII

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    Most distros these days have a package manager aka some sort of add-remove programs from Windows and it's very easy to install/remove a program you need/like.
    I wouldn't call me a Windows deserter, just yet. I like to play with both.
    What I suggest is to install a linux distro on a separate HDD (internal or external) and experiment. In this way, if you mess it up, no harm is done.Until you'll feel confident enough to wipe your Windows and replace it with linux...
    In linux I miss bsplayer because it downloads subtitles from 3 sites. VLC has the same capability, but uses only 1 site. That's the only drawback for me at the moment.
     
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  8. nodnar

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    just need a big external harddisk, to make a backup.. i am confident enough by now.. ;) and will ditch ms completely.. :D
     
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  9. SOCRATE_MMXII

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    A 2TB HDD is not that expensive these days. :D
     
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  10. Kim100

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    I have used numerous Linux distros in the past and I know my way around the likes of Mint but non of those listed on the Wiki page you posted are familiar to me. How user friendly are the non systemmd distros? The ones I have looked at today don't really inspire me and get lukewarm reviews on Distrowatch. Is there one that comes close to the mainstream releases for user friendliness? :g:
     
  11. floating_exception

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    #592 floating_exception, Oct 5, 2015
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    OpenSuse has an admin tool called Yast. It is unique to Suse and it is the best admin tool of all distros for newbs. You can pretty much control everything via Yast. The window managers KDE/Gnome have their own management tool to adjust the display settings and menus on a per-user basis.

    OpenSuse and SLE will be merged in November. Suse has had some rough editions in the last 3 years, so I hope the merged OS leaves those troubles behind.

    It always amuses me when a windozer bleats on about how superior Win is with openvpn or some TCP snooping app. Think: open = Linux. Win XP was the first Win to implement the full TCP/802 networking that was developed under Unix in the 70s. Win9x used some brain-dead crap called netBIOS.

    Win XP was M$'s first OS that did most things properly. For example, networking through gateways, USB subsystems, gaining good performance from disk subsystems, including SCSI. MS did not get these things working properly until the code from the open-source linux kernel had been available for 10 years.

    The revered NTFS was in fact written jointly by IBM and DEC. MS had nothing to do with the design. The original NT operating system was written by DEC, and was made available about 1990 on Microvax (then Alpha) hardware. The Alpha stations were too expensive for personal use so it folded. MS ported NT to the much cheaper AT hardware and released NT circa 1997.
     
  12. catdog215

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    Just a dumb question. How do you know all operations does not collect person data (Win, Mac OSx, Linux, etc)? If OpenSuse is the way to go, how do I google or what term I should use to block my daily use so it won't be on an outsider hand just like how everyone said W10 collect personal data. I would like to learn OpenSuse. I mean if i install OpenSues, what next or what should I do next to protect my personal data being collected?
     
  13. Michaela Joy

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    @catdog215: All operating systems "collect" personal data. (stored passwords, user names, etc.) And they will transmit it, but only to log into a service that requires them. (i.e. logging into MDL or an email provider)

    The question that needs to be asked is "Is the OS sending them to a place where they do not belong?"

    An OS maker needs to inspire a sense of security to its' users. If You can't trust the OS developer, then who can You trust? Microsoft has eroded the trust of many of its' users by the antics that have been perpetrated with Windows 10.

    To be honest, I wouldn't trust Apple. They're not much different with regards to what they collect and where it goes.

    The great thing about Linux is that pretty much -every- distro (fork...whatever) has a source code repository somewhere. You can look "under the hood" and be sure that there's no monkey business going on.

    That's why, to the privacy conscious, Linux is the way to go.

    Oh, and the only "dumb question" is the question that is not asked. :)
     
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  14. thorin0815

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    #596 thorin0815, Oct 6, 2015
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    Personally I can't understand why there is no mass movement against all theses privacy limitations in the medias and in the web about Windows 10, Google & Co.

    Many people saying "I have nothing to hide, so I dont care!" but they just don't realize that accepting this s**t is like giving up their basic human right of privacy for nothing.

    Back to topic: I brought two hardcore Windows users to Linux Mint and they love it. :)
     
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  15. wmh

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    #597 wmh, Oct 7, 2015
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    Hello world!

    I don`t know what I did wrong but I tried to run a usb-pendrive live to test ubuntu and mint x64 using:

    LinuxLive USB Creator 2.9.4.exe
    unetbootin-windows-613.exe
    Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.6.1.exe
    YUMI-2.0.1.8.exe
    and Rufus-2.4.exe

    and none of those worked!:(


    Tried several different usb ports, tweaked BIOS boot order, used f12 to select boot device and nothing happened. Then I read the guide by John Sutherland and burnt a LinuxMint x64 image using ImgBurn on a spare DVD disc I had and during boot it worked and I am now posting through Linux Mint live session! :thumbsup::wiggle:


    One thing that is amazing is that it worked and is working flawlessly. I didn`t do a thing to install, just put the DVD there and waited for it to show me the desktop. The last time I tried to use Linux, even from a live session, it didn`t work. It has been a few years (over 10) since that.

    I wonder why the usb drive didn`t work though. :confused:o_O
     
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  16. Mutoid

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    #598 Mutoid, Oct 7, 2015
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    I've done dozens of installs to USB flash drives with many different distros and used the same tools you mention ....
    .... all I can say is that there is no " one-size fits all " solution.

    For each new distro I try , I still have to grind through till I get the right combination.

    I can offer three tips :-

    1. Always choose " Run as Admin " when you start the chosen app.

    2. Win32DiskImager has worked for me when all else has failed.

    3. Always reformat your USB drive before each new attempt , not during .
    ... I use SDFormatter ( don't be put off by the "SD" , it works great for USB also ! )

    Keep trying .... you will get there !
     
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  17. SOCRATE_MMXII

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  18. Mutoid

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