Windows 10, Daz Loader, and July 29

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  1. CaptainKirk1966

    CaptainKirk1966 Former MDL Guru

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    #421 CaptainKirk1966, Aug 7, 2015
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    fwiw: I don't think that is significant. I keep a virtualbox snapshot of a freshly installed Win7 Pro just for playing with. I got that "HrOnline: N/A" in mgadiag both before and after online validation at the MS site using Internet Explorer.

    The Win7 guest OS was activated by the loader, and interestingly, it took me two tries to pass as genuine. First try said something like it could not determine if I was genuine, maybe try again later ...
     
  2. GoodEyeDeer999

    GoodEyeDeer999 MDL Novice

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    Yes, but Loader has to be installed in SAFE mode (forgot about the 'type 4 memory thing'). The 'restart message' says you have to manually install serial and certificate because it is in safe mode, but in fact the certificate is done, only serial not installed (which is good).

    Unfortunately, same old error (key has been blocked) after connecting to internet.
    Will give it another go as per your suggestion, new loader serial and disable type 4 memory.
     
  3. CaptainKirk1966

    CaptainKirk1966 Former MDL Guru

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    yes, maybe try a different slic/cert/serial combination next time you install loader. That might change your hardware hash enough to make the activation server think that you are somebody new, rather than somebody it has already blocked.
     
  4. eemuler

    eemuler MDL Senior Member

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    What are you installing W7 from? Is it a clean, untouched ISO? Don't use that pre-activated cr@p.

    Decide which SLIC you are going to use - Asus, Hp, etc. Now find the key for that and use that while installing W7. You'll still need DAZ loader but at least you won't have a bad key floating around in your system.

    Don't mix up versions. W7 pro upgraded to W10 pro worked for me.

    W10 creates additional partitions on the HDD. Might be a good idea to delete all partitions and start fresh just in case it is storing some activation related stuff there.
     
  5. GoodEyeDeer999

    GoodEyeDeer999 MDL Novice

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    Yes, always clean install from untouched ISO. May be I'll try win7pro instead of ultimate this time.
     
  6. Pangoo

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    A friend's Journey from Windows 8.1 Pro to Windows 10 Pro

    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Had a friend who typed up a journal of her experience.

    - Had an old Toshiba laptop that had Vista Basic factory installed.
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Obtained Win 8.1 Pro ISO and created a bootable thumb drive using RUFUS and installed it.[/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Used Microsoft Toolkit to activate it successfully
    - Used laptop for a few a months.
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Received notification that this laptop is eligible for Windows 10[/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- When 7/29/15 came around, I was able to obtain a file (MEDIA CREATION TOOL) from Microsoft (MS) that would allow me to download and install Windows 10 from MS servers. I did this in-place upgrade.[/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- This laptop successfully upgraded and activated Win 10 Pro![/FONT]
    - I had this theory that only in-place upgrades will activate successfully so I decided to test that theory by obtaining Win 10 ISO from MS servers and used RUFUS to create a bootable thumb drive install.
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Performed a true clean install of Win 10 by booting off the thumb drive and successfully proved my theory. When booting up, Win 10 Home was installed unactivated![/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- It was then that I realized that when performing a TRUE clean install, MS looks at the BIOS and determines that this laptop had Vista Basic installed at factory, forcing an upgrade ONLY to Win 10 Home in-activated.[/FONT]
    - Wanted to install Windows 10 Pro with successful activation again so I obtained Win 8.1 Pro ISO and used RUFUS to create a bootable thumb drive and performed a TRUE clean install.
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Used Microsoft Toolkit to activate it successfully[/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- Used MEDIA CREATION TOOL from MS to perform an in-place upgrade to Win 10 Pro which was successfully activated!
    - Loved Windows 10 so much that I purchased a copy using a local promo!
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- MS will surely in-activate any copies of Win 10 Pro several weeks/months down the line as they fix this activation bug as they are surely aware of this forum and thread!
    - Have fun!
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  7. Daz

    Daz MDL Developer / Admin

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    The issue there is that you went from 8.1 to 10 and you activated it against the VL channel, which isn't officially supported for the free upgrade. It probably recorded your old Vista SLIC too.

    If you had of installed the loader on Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate and then upgraded to Windows 10 Pro then the SLIC would be recorded as v2.1. Once your copy of Windows 10 is activated then you can format, reinstall Windows 10 Pro and gain activation again.

    There are no activation bugs. There's just people trying to skip between licencing channels and Microsoft's activation servers are still not working perfectly.
     
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  8. riahc3

    riahc3 MDL Addicted

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    Daz, as a personal clear up for me, are you saying Microsoft is recording our SLIC and tying it to us? I just want to know to make sure when I talk to this to other people I know what I am talking about :)
     
  9. Daz

    Daz MDL Developer / Admin

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    When you perform the upgrade then there's a version check, but I've not seen that done at any other stage. I'll double check over everything when I've got a little more time though.

    Obviously if you're skipping between VL and OEM via SLIC or an MSDM then that's going to look mighty suspicious though.
     
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    dvdmonster MDL Novice

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    Is the DAZ loader overwritten after upgrading to Windows 10 ? The loader says unsupported software so i can't uninstall, and I would rather not do a fresh windows 10 install. Thanks.
     
  12. Daz

    Daz MDL Developer / Admin

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    If you update Windows 10 to fix some bugs and then run a full disk cleanup then yes, the loaders removed.
     
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  13. dvdmonster

    dvdmonster MDL Novice

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    Thanks a lot for the answer!
     
  14. GoodEyeDeer999

    GoodEyeDeer999 MDL Novice

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    Sadly, still no luck but don't worry.
     
  15. fransosa

    fransosa MDL Novice

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    Hi,

    I have a question.

    Can I upgrade my laptop with Win 10 Home (already activated) to Pro through reinstalling Win 7 SP1 Ult and upgrade Win 10 Pro?

    Thanks.
     
  16. CaptainKirk1966

    CaptainKirk1966 Former MDL Guru

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    That seems unlikely. Some years ago, I flashed a bios modified to include a slic 2.1 table to activate Win7. Now, after upgrading from Win7 to Win10, I flashed the original bios that does not have the slic table. Win10 remains activated, no problems.
     
  17. Daz

    Daz MDL Developer / Admin

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    I can now confirm that there's no further SLIC checks. There's just hardware checks to make sure that most of the systems hardware remains the same.
     
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  18. Digit7

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    Or could it be that a SLIC check is still performed, but failing the SLIC check is not a major hardware change to invalidate the activation?
     
  19. eemuler

    eemuler MDL Senior Member

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    That situation can change at any time. That is the whole point of automatic and unstoppable Windows Updates. Anything they want to do can be delivered in the next round of updates. :(
     
  20. CaptainKirk1966

    CaptainKirk1966 Former MDL Guru

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    It is more likely that they only test for valid activation once before starting the upgrade, and other than that don't give two hoots regarding slic tables.