Windows 10 direct install - is this possible?

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Bakersfield, Apr 30, 2016.

  1. Bakersfield

    Bakersfield MDL Junior Member

    Feb 7, 2012
    Hello all,

    I am repairing (wipe/rebuild) a laptop that came pre-installed with:

    Win8.1 SprUP 64Bit w/ Bing Language: NH

    Apparently, MS Media Creator will not allow the creation of installation media for an 8.1 w/ bing.

    If I have understood correctly - this is intentional (on behalf of MS).

    I do not want to connect this malware ridden laptop to my home network.

    Instead of having to connect the laptop to my network and using windows updates to get Windows 10, can I ask for some guidance with the following:

    A) Is there a windows 10 iso that I can download (on a clean machine) and simply install over this? One which will automatically sort out the activation, leaving me with a legitimate win 10 install & Key and a clean/sanitised laptop?

    B) The windows 8.1 w/ bing - is there an installation media image I can get from somewhere else, so that I don't need to go this far?

    Really appreciate any guidance members are will to provide.

  2. cocotus.interruptus

    cocotus.interruptus MDL Junior Member

    Sep 8, 2014
  3. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

    Aug 12, 2012
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  4. cocachris89

    cocachris89 MDL Senior Member

    Mar 1, 2013
  5. Bakersfield

    Bakersfield MDL Junior Member

    Feb 7, 2012
    #5 Bakersfield, Apr 30, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2016

    I understand your concern - but please revisit and compare them.

    A Windows 10 solution + procedure, is only discussed here. It is not mentioned in my other post at all.

    By mentioning the difficulties I am having with windows 8.1 w/bing as a part of this post - I am stimulating a broader discussion/exploration of the topic, which might be helpful to others in this exact scenario.

    I would guess, that there are many others that are weighing up - whether to struggle and find 8.1 w/bing somehow, or if it is easier just to jump to 10. This is an entirely different discussion, when compared to my other post.

  6. Bakersfield

    Bakersfield MDL Junior Member

    Feb 7, 2012
    Appreciate the advice.

    Key question (open to all) - I've done a full system restore (8.1 w/bing) - using the (presumably infected) restore partition on the laptop. It should be better than it was before (but still infected).

    This is why I don't want to connect it to my network.

    Is there a Windows 10 image that I can download, burn and install over the 8.1 w/bing - without having serious issues about activation.

    The laptop I am fixing belongs to a small business, so everything needs to be official. And they need that whatever solution is reached - It must be an official key & activation.
  7. uffbros

    uffbros MDL Senior Member

    Aug 9, 2010
    So do you want to do a clean install on that machine? Wipe it out and start fresh with Win 10? 8.1 Bing would be eligable for Win 10 Home. Please post back.
  8. Bakersfield

    Bakersfield MDL Junior Member

    Feb 7, 2012
    Yes, thats right.

    Currently - the laptop has been restored to factory state.

    I.e just as it was when first purchased from the retailer (hidden restore partition etc).

    I would to consider a fresh windows 10 install on it, by downloading and burning the windows 10 install media on my desktop. Then I would simply insert the dvd and initiate installation - wiping the system and killing all malware on it.

    But - since I am not going through the on-line upgrade process - will there be issues with activation?

    (Sidenote - is there a way to keep the restore partition facility - but with a windows 10 restore image instead? It might be useful for the owner - because, if I am not around when something goes wrong again - at least they'll have restore options).
  9. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

    Oct 30, 2009
    #9 Enthousiast, Apr 30, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2016
    First i would advise you to check if there is a win 10 oem:Dm "bioskey" (i believe it was a 8.1 laptop?), you can check this with the OEM Query tool, when it states: "Valid oem os: 8.x/10 only" you can directly do a clean install and it will get activated by the oem:Dm "bioskey".

    When not, upgrading by using an 10 iso will get it a HWID (the system will have to be connected to the internet for the HWID to register on the msft systems). After that you can do a clean install and when you use a script like Murphy78's diskpart and apply image script, you can install 10 with a recovery partition.

    ps, you can create a recovery usb disk for 8.1, when you check the box: "copy the recovery partition" your friend will always have the possibillity to go back to his own genuine 8.1 install.
  10. Gharlane00

    Gharlane00 MDL Addicted

    Aug 26, 2009
    If his machine is really as infected with malware as he thinks that it is, his USB drive will be compromised when he attempts the gatherosstate procedure.
    Burning a DVD would be a better option to keep the install clean. Wiping the drive and using the embedded Win 8. key for activation seems to be the safer option.
  11. Bakersfield

    Bakersfield MDL Junior Member

    Feb 7, 2012
    I am grateful to each of you that have contributed, and are helping me with this.

    The laptop is a toshiba (I know, don't ask).

    Like nearly all other retail laptops, it has a 'built in' recovery capability (reinstall entire OS to factory state). I'm specifically pertaining to the hidden recovery partition on the HDD. Can this be kept? Or whichever way I instll 10 - will the owner loose this capability?

    uffbos - by generating the xml file on the machine (which is infected) - I risk transferring the infection to the fresh 10 install, by reintroducing that file?
  12. Wazoo

    Wazoo MDL Senior Member

    Nov 5, 2013
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  13. T-S

    T-S MDL Guru

    Dec 14, 2012
    #14 T-S, Apr 30, 2016
    Last edited: May 1, 2016

    Frankly the recovery partition, nowadays, is an almost useless waste of space, just get the win 8.1 iso if you mind to get back

    If not, just remove any partition using diskpart or whatever tool you like before proceeding to install win10

    An xml alone can't infect anything, assuming you have your extensions visible and your xml didn't turn to something like foo.xml.exe
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  14. dummekuehe

    dummekuehe MDL Senior Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    i would go with uffbros' suggestion. that's what i would do in this case.
    just make sure that the current windows 8.1 is genuine so you get a good genuineticket.xml
    wiping the hdd seems to be necessary in this case.
    if you don't want to risk reinfecting the new system or your usb stick
    try to upload the file from the infected system to a pastebin or file sharing service, or as email attachment
    or you could run some kind of recovery system or linux from a cd and copy the genuineticket.xml that way