OK, hey thank you so much for the reply - sorry my post was so long winded! Is Cody's new toolkit the one I DL'd that is a dual Office and M$ Toolkit? (I can check and search for it here, I am not that lazy, but...) what I really need to know is do I "HAVE" to activate Windows and Office 2010 with Microsoft? Therein lied my troubles. I ended up going Ent. and VLK as for me, it worked so simply for so long - really no other reason, but now I have computers here that I just could never reinstall the apps and get the settings and such the same IYKWIM. Prior to reading the article about the Hotfix/KB that screwed everyone that I just "hid" in the updater, those instructions said absolutely validate. Right or wrong, I only recall validating ages ago (several years ago) Office 2010 I think, never the OS when it was ENT - VLK. I'll get Cody's key if it is not already what I have. The Microsoft Toolkit comes up with an error and right now with no rearms I am 28 or so days OOBE... I thank you for all the help. Many apologies if this was covered. I will post back within 30 minutes or so (add to this post) if everything magically works out so I don't cause you any more grief. Thanks again Tito.