Yup, another Vista/Me fiasco. MS can shove Win 8 where the sun don't shine and if the next version is like this I'm switching to Linux, or, perhaps, Apple. I have no intention of fighting my OS to do the things I enjoy as I want to do them. Thanks for the heads up Burf'.
It's not that the Metro UI isn't usable, in terms of the Apps pages (replaces the start menu), but it is even more important to have a 'clean' start menu and remove superfluous shortcuts and folder entries to be able to find what you are looking for. Although the Metro Apps do have their shortfalls like I wrote above, I would at least make a little use of it if it were possible without UAC. As far as I see it, when using Metro you probably won't be doing things that require you to have it completely disabled, so it's unfortunate that there isn't a UAC 'mixed' mode that you can use. That is, when using Metro have EnableLUA on and a level of UAC, and have it disabled only for desktop view. Having no start menu is a means of forcing people to use the app bar in Metro. My criticism would be much less if mixed UAC mode were an option (so it wasn't so damn ugly), if they hadn't removed Aero, and they hadn't removed the start menu. UAC must be enabled to use Metro apps as they are a potential backdoor for malicious activity (especially those that constantly download stuff in the background). Like I said, for mobile devices this downloading could cause serious issues for some who are more likely to go over their download quota, which is still very common, especially on 3G/4G networks. So, to the things I do like. It is quicker, and I like how different screens can have different wallpapers. Like I said earlier, I just set it to shuffle through 20,000 or so wallpapers and the computer monitor changes the wallpaper independently of the connected TV. Basically the general user may adapt, power users not so much. Also a lot of people like putting pets or family as wallpaper, and of course Metro doesn't have wallpaper.
@burf so do you wanna stick to Windows 8 permanently? To be honest, I've completely switched back to Windows 7. I can't say that Windows 8 is that faster than Windows 7. I've been doing a lot of tests regarding speed and couldn't realize any essential difference in speed. Especially I could not take to the Metro stuff. For desktop computers Windows 8 is the biggest crap, in general. I had to completely disable the damn LUA/UAC crap to get all software running properly. That's totally fu...ed up. If Microsoft forces the metro politics in the future I will switch over to linux based systems. But as long as Windows 7 is supported I'll stick to Windows 7. Then I'll switch to Linux based systems, if Microsoft continues forcing the metro politics...
I'll probably stick with Windows 8, but after modding it's only barely 'acceptable' to me. The LUA/UAC crap is problematic, I believe it's to overcome a potential security issues that may arise due to Metro Apps. If Windows 8 were any more restricted I definitely wouldn't be using it. Supposedly 'Windows Blue' is coming out mid next year, but there is no word on what that actually is, whether it is merely a Service Pack, or a service pack that you now have to pay for... under the guise of a new Windows iteration (Windows 8.5 etc). Could be Windows Blue cuts out the option to disable 'EnableLUA', but I doubt that (LUA = Limited User Access), in which case it would be completely useless. Windows 8 definitely won't be liked in an office environment. If anyone does install it and use apps, let us know how large the C:\Program Files\WindowsApps folder grows. I don't even use the apps, and have EnableLUA disabled, and it has downloaded several hundred megabytes and 7000+ files! - and I should point out I uninstalled a whole heap off apps, which you can do from the 'Start' screen. On a 'plus' size, one of the downloads were the proper VS2012 runtimes, the ones that should have come with Windows to begin with! and no the old ones like I mentioned earlier. Of course, the old ones are still present. These files are the same as the normal VS2012 runtime files, but they are used only for Windows Apps. I therefore highly recommend turning off live updates in the metro screen (so stuff doesn't keep automatically downloading). I wonder how much crap and clutter people could build if they actually really used the apps as Microsoft 'intends', the apps don't seem to be space of file efficient at all, I could see a larger SSD as being necessary in some cases. I took ownership of the WindowsApps folder and deleted it entirely. The Start Screen is still working properly, as are the functions that I would actually use on there if I did use it (the new start menu layout, search etc). I run SFC after doing this, and no complaints about it! which is surprising, but also good I believe the three services you want to stop (if started)1 are: system events broker time broker windows all-user install agent windows store service These shouldn't be started anyway if you turn off live apps and delete the apps folder 1you can't disable them, but I believe they won't load unless requested, which they won't be if you're not using Windows Apps!
Once I integrate all the updates from McRips x64 folder to the install.wim then remake the DVD, then after I do a fresh install with it I'm assuming I need to run/add KB2728973-rvkroots.exe and Windows6.1-KB2732072.reg file(s) ?
In your changelog, I have not seen, KB2655992 superseded by KB2748437 And KUC says Code: 2733947 6.1.1.0 Windows6.1-KB2733947-v2-x64.msu REMOVE/ADDThe version of this update is lower than that of the reference(6.1.2.0)! I downloaded the hotfix on the repo, but it is always 6.1.1.0 Thanks EDIT: It is OK for KB2733947, is not updated in the repo, but OK if I download with KUC (KB2733947v2) It is not in the repo
Yes. Some part of it are for MediaCenter. The other parts are for all Clients. But you are right, if this is needed for every client, i could remove it from the mediacenter folder. But I just want to remember myself, if the non MediaCenter parts are superseded, it still will be needed for Media center. There are also some other updates, that can be found twice.
Hey burf you think you can add support for KUC type Update folder structure? Where KUC copies the files to Normal and LDR, the Normal updates you can just point dism to the root folder and only extract & install the LDR folder msu/cabs? This takes the guess work outta what updates need to be installed to satisfy WU, so you don't need to use or maintain a list
Not quite sure what you mean, however I'll try an answer (and also explain a few things in case others are wondering) The idea with the installer is to work from a local repository, a list of updates that you already know are fully applicable. Komm and Mcrip have set their folder structure up that way because it is impossible to cater for all systems and all preferences (such as additional update components, and in Komm's case, server and client specific updates). The installer is designed to handle any number of updates, and any applicability state (within reason). Ideally you only keep applicable updates, which can be determined by running option 4 in the install menu. This way you can download all the updates from Komm or Mcrip, place them all in the one folder, and the run the applicability check. It installs all updates, checks the applicability of the ones that haven't installed, and gives you the option to remove them. By doing this, you have a fully maintained local repository (well, as long as you keep up to date with the update lists from Komm or Mcrip, and by using the 'old update remover'). Separating updates into folders for a local repository makes less sense when you consider this. It also doesn't need updating to recognise new updates. The only time it needs updating, in regards to updates, is when there are new 'non-standard' updates (these are very few), and to update the Windows Update satisfy list. Some Windows Update released updates require both the GDR and LDR versions of the updates to be installed to not show. Even when the WU satisfy list isn't updated, the LDR version will be installed, and the system up to date, just that the update will show.
You did not understand my request...when you run KUC to scan yous system for what updates it needs, you browse for a repo folder, then you browse for a updates folder where it creates a cmd script to copy the updates from the repo folder to: <updates>\Normal & <updates>\LDR. It also creates cmd files to install these updates but the LDR cmd is pretty slow at extracting & installing the updates (because it does them one by one) Would be great if your installer worked with msu/cab that are in a \Normal and \LDR sub-folder, (KUC does the sorting so no need for to use WU satisfy list,) just point dism to the Normal folder and only extract and force install the LDR folder files
Ah I see! well, I might have a look at adding that as an alternative option later on, but it will require a bit of code rearrangement.
If you don't want to completely redo your installer, maybe you could give komm some advice on improving his LDR cmd script to do batch LDR install
I deleted KB2733947 from my local repo and KUC did not find any missing files although it should have downloaded v2. I ran the check from XP.
A view with komm, if this hotfix is superseded Otherwise, you know what's the directory "panther" in C:\Windows?