Windows 8.1 Upgrade Mandatory

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  1. ian82

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    Honestly I think MS needs to make it forced. The OS should be treated as 8.X, with the points being the new form of SP. You can get support for latest update but not RTM.

    Also, they are changing the way Metro Apps work such that 8.1 Apps are new and won't work. MS store is weak now so there is little to lose. But they must retire 8.0 with a bullet to the head if they want their app store to have a chance.

    Also, while I dodge upgrade installs like the plague, there should be so little difference that it should be find to upgrade from 8.0 (there isn't a chance in hell I'd upgrade install from XP to 7/8, there is too much crap that would get left).

    PS: They should make it deploy like an SP, it would be easier for larger companies. Having to upgrade (not do a full reimage deploy), by going to the Windows Store is not big business friendly, but is great for the average joe.
     
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  5. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    I wonder if they are gonna make msdn isos for the 8.1 on or near the release date.
    Sometimes they release Service packs way before their rtm counterparts.
    Then again this isn't like a service pack, so much as an overhaul.

    Gah, I'm getting all nerdy on this new thing.
    I don't even use the metro stuff very much, I don't know why I even care...
     
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  6. Superfly

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    Yup the difference being the kernel upgrade which as you say requires an "overhaul" as opposed to an SP which .. to use your analogy.. merely means change the tyres, brakes, spark plugs etc...would be interesting to see how corporates tackle this issue .. particularly given the bad rep Win8 has had thus far...:eek:

    Windows 7 will be our work OS for a long, long time to come IMHO :)
     
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  7. burfadel

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    #7 burfadel, Jul 31, 2013
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    Windows 8.1 isn't just about Metro though. Regardless of what Microsoft have been spruiking, and people have been believing, Windows 8.1 is a cross between a service pack for Windows 8 and a quasi-new OS version. What I mean by this is in its own right, it isn't a new OS, but it is more than a service pack. It makes sense to drop support for Windows 8, no point keeping support for an OS that has been updated to a new codepath anyway, one which people should be using.

    I believe Windows 8 will be available as a standalone update, with the Windows store update possibly effectively being similar to what you would normally find for a service pack in Windows Update. In this sense, you could download it once and install it on multiple machines. It is likely that you could use WSUS as well.

    The Store update method just looks more impressive for people, because people are gullible and like all things 'Store' like. Hey, it's like shopping in a store, but getting something for free, yay! Of course, it's no different than through Windowsupdate, but peoples perception is that if it was available through Windowsupdate, it would be a 'meh' moment. In other words, having it 'available for free!' through the store is a much more effective means of distribution than through Windowsupdate.

    Like with previous service packs for Windows, Windows 8.1 will be available as a standalone ISO, it could be available fairly soon actually. Pretty much the only thing stopping a lot of people from using Windows 8 is the interface. I have to agree, it is completely and utterly impractical and stupid to have this type of interface on a desktop or standard laptop computer. The interface unification is meant to make people familiar between Windows 8, Windows Phones, and Windows tablet, but the truth is, they are all different operating environments requiring different interfaces. Microsoft wanted to unify the interfaces not to make it easy for people, but as a marketing point to help sales of Windows Phones if using Windows 8, and vice versa. I can tell you now, you probably wouldn't buy a Windows 8 Phone if you use Windows 8, people are put off by the interface. Conversely though, people using Windows Phone would be enticed to use Windows 8, only to be disappointed on how ineffective and impractical Windows 8 is as an interface. I have a Windows Phone (8), and I think it's great, the interface is ideal for the touch environment, but it's impractical. It's not a matter of getting use to the Windows 8 interface, it simply isn't practical for a non-touch environment, period! Actually, even in a touch environment it isn't that practical either, because it can quickly get cluttered depending on what you have installed (all the non relevant icons etc). Unfortunately Windows 8.1 doesn't resolve these issues, Microsoft are steadfast on their resolve, I just hope they come to their senses sooner or later and make the interface relevant and practical for the Windows 8.1 successor. You can have cross platform familiarity without unification. Besides that, even though the style and function is unified, the major flaw (besides typical Windows 8 use not being touch) is that for the diversity needed for a desktop Windows platform, the new interface simply cannot display stuff efficiently. Besides that, the making Windows 8 less attractive hasn't helped either. There are a few things they could do to the interface to make it attractive, efficient, and practical, whilst retaining the familiarity of use between platforms, but unfortunately Microsoft have failed to capitilise that with Windows 8.1.
     
  8. MrMagic

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    There were rumours of it RTMing on August 1st (In US Date terms, 8/1) which would be tomorrow, but I have a feeling we would have heard a lot more about it by now if that were true
     
  9. pisthai

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    There was also rumors about end of August and September!!:biggrin:
     
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    You made me spill my drink...
     
  11. mohamedkamel

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    I don't think there are many companies use/think to use Windows 8/8.1 in the near future, it is like grumbling to change your OS and buy compatible software for even large companies. I personally know companies still use Windows 98 as their main OS. Most companies I know are using XP at the moment, which they switched to few years ago, and in my IMHO, they will not switch again from XP after a long time as it is so much money and effort.

    If I'm a business owner, I will think many times before switching to Windows 8/8.1 :)
     
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  12. PaulDesmond

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    lol ... service cycle for w8 product ends 2023. Some can think about new software for quite a while :D
     
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    +1, I know 1 of the Big 4 is still using xp. I am responsible for a business and I do not think I'll switch it to win8 in the near future...
     
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