It's crazy over here in the U.S. We are lied to by the government on a daily basis. They want total control of the people here under the false name of national security. A report came out a few days ago showing that over 90% of the data collected by the NSA is on ordinary US citizens and residents, meanwhile we are told they are looking for terrorists. Like I said, lies on a daily basis, meanwhile the sheep watch The Voice or whatever reality show is in at the moment. The government has passed laws where they can basically take away all of our rights at any moment they choose. I'm sad to say after all the complaining we did about Communism and terrorism, we became those things in the USA. We are not free people anymore.
When times become complicated the majority seems to switch back to attitudes known to be working since ages . The worst in my eyes atm: As long as i don't do anything illegal, i can't be accused, so for the sake of security ... let them do . It's a proper way to ignore the fact, that this inevitably leads to dramatic decrease of personal rights.
You nailed it on the head, sir! That is the charming truth! The security measure by China might be a publicity stunt at the end, if there is no forth-coming information to have the US government held responsible for the accusation of spying on foreign governments. Factually, there has been on-going secret watch on foreign nations until it involves the United States citizens recently. There had been battles over secret documents by the whistle-blowers in the past by Julian Asange, Manning and more recently by Edward Snowden. There is not doubt most leading countries in the world are involved in one way or the other in secret information gathering. There are reported cases of Russian spy as well as the Chinese. I don't think spying on secret data is going to stop in the foreseeable time. My very watered-down view is that Chinese government is looking for an excuse to stop using Windows Operating System all together. I read the sector has adopted a Linux-based operating system called DEEPIN. Probably, that is not going to have a cloud feature incorporated. Those giant information tech companies are actually battling with the government on what information to be divulged(according to online reports). The in-house battle is what is really making it looks as though there is no need to release secret documents by those tech giants. Who knows on what compromise those American companies have sacrificed to make sure they are kept in operation? I think there is secret dealing happening between both sides the general public is not aware of. For the umpteenth time, I would advise Microsoft to create a Windows version tailored for the Chinese market by excluding cloud from its features. At the moment there is a huge profitable market for tech materials in China and Microsoft cannot ignore that opportunity for being a leading maker in that sector in the world.
Because the Cloud of Windows 8 (On the surface that Microsoft relies on the Windows Defender to monitor Chinese, but Microsoft to monitor it, the era of the XP mechanism of Windows activation is enough)and Chinese government want people to use OS made in China.(It's impossible.For example,COS(China Operating System)=Copy others System) PS:I am a Chinese but I never wish.Chinese academy cheat money too much, such as the hanxin (Polished off the chip surface of the word "MOTO") and Kylin (Copied from FreeBSD and not Open Source)
Some people are speculating according to the news from Xinhua paper that Chinese would adopt Kylin or Reg flag Linux distro. But, the red flag folded up early this year and that makes it not to be in line for the plan migration. Kylin is more or less like Windows XP meant for simple hardware configuration and supports, meaning it would be very vulnerable to attacks in the future. Deepen seems to the best choice for the plan, looking at it users based in China and popularity and it's also based on Debia like Ubuntu. I heard Mark Shuttleworth is in close contact with the Chinese government for a possible talk on Linux OS for the government sector. I heard from unknown source nation has adopted DEEPEN Linux for the sector. How truthful that is is still open for a debate.
The Chinese are full of S*** , this has nothing to do with security and all about the South China Sea incidents. The US is supporting Japan and China doesn't like it, what's new !
Germany also has issues with security and will be reviewing new equipment purchases from the US. China will review such companies as IBM CISCO etc. Built in security flaws perhaps the motive. Germany is fed up with the US NSA and more countries are falling in that same thought. BTW US has no business in S. China Sea or Ukraine for that matter. Amerika is the newest member of the Banana Republic. Their objective is to take those economies down as they are the only obstacles to the NWO. That Kenyan homosexual running the US is a total buffoon ruining that country.
I agree about the U.S. needing to stay the hell in our own country, but lets please keep the racism and homophobic comments to ones-self, aye?
Yes I'm a Chinese and now tell you why government banned My English isn't so well and I'm using a Windows phone As you all know, the Cos mobile system(Chinese operating system) released and you think it is really a 'copy other system '. To be honest, I think so. Actually, It's an android 4.1.2. Since then, it(referred to Chinese government) think it is possible to use the operating systems they built. The expert it has, says the core windows NT 6.x uses isn't safe and the core have lots of enormous bugs (in Chinese, we say 极大的，天大的错误) . To stay I windows XP is safer than upgrading to new systems. Why they think XP is safer than nt6? They says some of the source code XP uses is opened to public while nt6 don't. So they think XP is more under control. Yes they say this to public. In Chinese government, windows XP with office 2003/2000 is still wildly uses why? Because they want computer software to suites them and cracked XP they use about 10 years. Upgrading to the new system will waste lots of money. You know? Do you know Ubuntukylin? The government think it can be used that Linux built in china and the most important : Suite them selves, unlimited free technology support, long technology support years(at least 10 year). The computers' system will never upgrade unless stop support forever like Microsoft. Foolish, do you think?
Chinese government is just pissed at Microsoft because they want to stay on XP. In fact, the government probably wants everybody in China to keep using a pirated copy of the OS since XP is the weakest OS security-wise.
If actually what you said is the nitty-gritty of the matter that lead to the ban. Why didn't the Chinese government ask for security patches from Microsoft for Windows XP? Which indeed are going to cost fortune in the real aspect of keeping Windows Operating System in the government sector. I still think the truth of the matter of why the Chinese government banned the Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 is beyond what's on the news and online publicity. It has more to do with security concerns as regard NSA and subsequent idea for the fear of leaking information through the process.
No. Not foolish. China is very smart. XP is faster than Windows 7 or 8.1. I built my own .NET application. It is very slow (almost unusable) in Windows 7/8. It easily runs at full speed in XP! To me Windows 7/8.1 is almost useless. I use Windows 7/8.1 only to upload to Onedrive (Onedrive uploads fastest in Internet Explorer 9+)! I cannot do anything resembling useful work on 7/8. I must switch to XP to do it! Also, I don't trust Windows 7/8.1. XP was made when internet connection was not a big deal, which means less features to spy on you! The smartest (probably wrong word to use, more like makes the best things in the world) people on Earth are not Americans/British. They are the Japanese! Just think Japanese culture is based on Chinese. That makes China smart too! I like XP, so I like China!
He already explained it. This is more of an issue of control than it is about security or new technology or NSA spying. Whoever has the (most) source code controls the software, so to speak. Microsoft has the upper-hand when it comes to 7/8. XP code is pretty much known! If you know anything about China/the Chinese, they're not the type to hand over control to someone else (or relinquish control over to Microsoft in this case or any other American companies). How else you think they managed to bump their economy to 2nd largest in the world? They did it by buying up and taking control of mineral resources abroad like Rare Earth Metals (REE) used mostly in electronics, etc to make sure that if you wanted stuff with REEs in it, you had to buy from China...
I would agree with you to some extent of it all. It has been widespread on the news the Chinese government is concerned about the huge cost of migrating from Windows XP to Windows 7 or Windows 8. While there is a reference to small part of the computers used in the government sector still running Windows 7 the Windows 8 seems to be the bone of contention here. Windows 7 has not been ruled out completely by the Chinese during the initial report. The source code of Windows XP is still a registered and protected information. Meaning they cannot use it without the prerogative of Microsoft or its affiliate in China. There is no way they are going to keep using the Windows XP even when they are entitled to the source code because cumulative patches are needed as necessary updates to keep up with the contemporary, most especially, for new packages. Although, I have a little idea about the Chinese government, the assertion on the tight-control can not be over-emphasized after-all it has been using the Windows XP for years controlled by the same Microsoft the sector is now suspicious to be up to something. If we must agree on this very issue we would have to narrow it down to the following: (a) The Chinese government is suspecting Microsoft of stealing information or going to leak secret information in the future to the US government. (b) The short time of migrating from Windows XP to Windows 8 or 8.2 is disturbing and costly. (c) The cloud incorporated into Windows 8 or 8.1 could be the usual suspect. (d) It has been looking for ways to do away with American made software. As we are seeing the same trend with ban on Symantec security system by the Chinese government. (e) It could be a nationalistic move to keep distancing the country from USA. These are my vivid speculations. They only reflect my opinions not of the Chinese government or Microsoft.
If that is actually the case. Let Microsoft provide the Chinese government a continuous security patches at exorbitant cost. There is profit to be made by the tech giant by providing the sector with what the people want.
It's definitely more secure than win8, but that's not saying much. Actually win7 doesn't have any security problems, really. It's really only when you try to force internet use such as the cloud features of win8, that you get the anti-security problems. You can actually disable online accounts in win8.x, but they don't want someone somehow piggybacking onto the infrastructure and making some sort of keylogger or something that uploads to onedrive in the guise of being a system function. That's a bit far-fetched, but I've seen a lot of crypted malware and uploading to onedrive isn't exactly a huge red flag compared to uploading to some random server in germany or something. OneDrive still cannot be trusted, AT ALL. NSA has their paws ALL over MS. There was some threat from some guy in ireland or something and the NSA wanted MS to turn over the content of the person's email even though the server was on Irish soil or something. (scottish maybe?) A judge UPHELD the order. Do you understand how the U.S. is acting now? They think if you do business in the U.S., they have a right to any of your property anywhere in the world. It's not even MS's fault. It's the U.S. gov't's fault. Unfortunately, until they outlaw this sh** some time in the future, I can only strongly recommend against using MS accounts for anything that the U.S. gov't can get their hands on. This includes hotmail, outlook, live mail, msn mail, onedrive, skydrive, etc. Don't touch that stuff if you don't want the U.S. gov't to have it.
Hello everyone. I just singed up to post a comment on this: This is the dumbest statement from another West/America hating person. I am from Japan and I was sent to study in an American university and now I will be on my way to a London university in UK. First of all, the best things and most innovative things, as you said, actually do come first from America and second from Europe. Japan is actually 3rd in innovations. It's a fact. So technically they are smarter. Do you think China actually invents the things they make? NO, they make things that others (Americans, Europeans, Japanese) invented. Not to mention China is stealing on daily bases ideas, designs, secrets, technology from Japan, America and Europe. It is another fact. Second of all, Japan sends a lot of young people to America and Europe to learn and I am one of them. They are all over the western universities. China also send thousends of students to America and Europe. So the westerners are pretty smart since they are the biggest educators of the rest of the world. Third of all, Japanese culture is NOT based on Chinese culture. Japanese culture is Japanese and has nothing to do with Chinese. And even if it had that still would not make the Chinese smarter just because they would be related. And if it's "wrong word to use" as you said in beginning of your post you could just edit your post. If you knew anything about the China and the world you would know that they became 2nd biggest economy because Japanese, Americans and Europeans started making all their things in China. That's all. That is changing slowly and it already has negative effect on Chinese economy which they artificialy keeping up. As for rare Earth metals Japan just discovered one of the biggest deposits in the world of it and already working with Americans on developing it. America in the 80's was the biggest supplyer of those metals but then they stopped because they and the Europeans and Japanese started making all their things in China. After recently Chinese started threatning the world with not selling those metals Japanese, American and European companies work together to develope new methods and technologies so they don't need China for the rare metals. They all want to diversify the sources so one country (china in this case) can't hold the world hostage. It was in the news in Japan and US, I don't know about Europe but I did read on BBC online news that reported that too. Also why is it good practice if China is buying up and taking control over resources abroad but when the western countries do that is bad? Looks like another brain washed person. As a person that been in few countries I can't stand this kind of ignorance and arrogance like "eatup" displays. I am a Japanese but if we are not first in something I will say so and not make up things just to make Japan look better. If you lie about others or show hate to others you look like a stupid uneducated person. No one is perfect, but I did like people from North America in general and Europe the most. I did visit China (since they are our neighbours) and people were good enough but because of the China's economical growth (which is ending slowly) they think they are better then others. You can even see that in how Chinese is bulling and treats its neighbours. China in general is not very liked anywhere and now it starting to show its ugly face. In fact a known Chinese general said "I don't know what friends my government is talking about because when I look on the map I can't see any friends that China has", and he should know.