Windows Recovery and WIMBoot

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  1. Bezalel

    Bezalel MDL Member

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    Has anyone got Windows Recovery to work on a WIMBoot installation of Windows 10?

    Here's the problem. In a WIMBoot setup the WinRE file is moved out of the file system and put in the recovery partition and its new location is registered with reagentc. However the Windows 10 version of reagentc doesn't allow me to register a new location for WinRE.
     
  2. reefer

    reefer MDL Novice

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    WIMBoot will not be supported in W10. Check Compact OS.
     
  3. Bezalel

    Bezalel MDL Member

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    Is there any official word from MS that WIMBoot is no longer supported? And is there and technical information about OS compression (and how to make recovery work without a dedicated partition)? All I'm seeing so far is marketing speak.
     
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    I was able to install with WIMBoot on my WinBook TW801 from MicroCenter by first installing it the "normal" way and then using DISM to create a Win10 WIMBoot image with this command "DISM /Capture-Image /WIMBoot /ImageFile:{driveletter}:\Images\install.wim /CaptureDir:C: /Name:"WIMBoot Windows 10 Technical Preview" /ScratchDir:C:\Recycler\Scratch" from WinPE and then applying it with this command "DISM /Apply-image /ImageFile:{driveletter}:\Images\install.wim /ApplyDir:C: /Index:1 /WIMBoot /ScractchDir:C:\Recycler\Scratch"
     
  5. ZaForD

    ZaForD MDL Expert

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    Shenj posted some info on OS compression for me on this thread

    I got Windows 10 10041 installed on a 32GB tablet using the /compact switch
    Full install was around 6GB :biggrin:
     
  6. Shenj

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    Quick question here. For the WinHEC lab a flash drive was distributed with install scripts and tools, are the contents of that drive available?

    Without detailed scripts the best I can do is create the "WinRE" partition using the same parameters I use with 8.1's "Images" partition.
     
  9. Shenj

    Shenj MDL Expert

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    Don't think so (if there are even scripts that aren't in the lab paper printed anyway), what else do you need to know? Just apply your image with dism and the /compact switch.
     
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    #10 Bezalel, Mar 30, 2015
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    In 8.1 I have the following in my diskpart script:

    Code:
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Images"
    assign letter=m
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
    Are the same values used in Windows 10?
     
  11. Shenj

    Shenj MDL Expert

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    #11 Shenj, Mar 30, 2015
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    That doesn't tell me what you want to actually know, but i can give you this.
    Code:
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert gpt
    rem == 1. System partition =========================
    create partition efi size=100
    rem ** NOTE: For 4KB-per-sector drives, change this 
    rem          value to 260 **
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    assign letter=S
    rem == 2. Microsoft Reserved (MSR) partition =======
    create partition msr size=128
    rem == 3. Windows partition ========================
    rem ==    a. Create the Windows partition. ==========
    create partition primary
    rem ==    b. Create space for the recovery image. ===
    shrink minimum=500
    rem ==    c. Prepare the Windows partition. =========
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"
    assign letter=W
    rem == 4. Windows RE tools partition ===============
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Recovery"
    assign letter=R
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
    Here one without the comments
    Code:
    select disk 0
    clean
    convert gpt
    create partition efi size=100
    format quick fs=fat32 label="System"
    assign letter=S
    create partition msr size=128
    create partition primary
    shrink minimum=500
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Windows"
    assign letter=W
    create partition primary
    format quick fs=ntfs label="Recovery"
    assign letter=R
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
    This is what the new format is supposed to look like.
     
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  12. reefer

    reefer MDL Novice

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    #12 reefer, Mar 30, 2015
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    You don't hide Recovery partition anymore because there is NO recovery partition in w10. Hence the script you posted is redundant.

    Edit:
    The IMAGES partition that is. There still is a partition for Winre.wim but it MUST be after OS partition (hard requrement)

    Edit2:
    Also I wonder how many of us MDLers where in Prague last week:D
     
  13. Shenj

    Shenj MDL Expert

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    #13 Shenj, Mar 30, 2015
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    The script is correct.

    The Recovery Partition here is only 500mb big (adjust to fit custom sizes), it's only for WinRE not a recovery image and the script clearly creates it last.

    Code:
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    Sets it so that it shows up as Recovery Partition, this has the effect that novice users can't delete it inside the Disk Management GUI.

    Code:
    gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
    Flags the partition to hide (additional security measure against s**tty novice users) so it doesn't show up in Disk Management GUI to begin with.

    It's has pretty much just one purpose: Don't make it show so people don't try to delete it.
    The WinRE Partition also needs to be bigger than normal as it appears to be updateable now.
     
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  14. reefer

    reefer MDL Novice

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    I was refering to this script:

    format quick fs=ntfs label="Images"
    assign letter=m
    set id="de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac"
    gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
    Yours is following the new guide lines. Should have been more specific.

    Also according to MS Recovery partition will be recreated with winre.wim updates through Windows Update. That's why it has to be right after OS partition. I still can't see how they can modify this partition with others after it and MS tech guy didn't realy know too. We will have to wait for a build supporting new Recovery to find out i guess.
     
  15. Shenj

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    #15 Shenj, Mar 30, 2015
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  16. nechrist

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    A complete step by step tutorial, from scratch would be very nice! ;)
     
  17. reefer

    reefer MDL Novice

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    The whole Recovery idea is to rebuild your system from a components catalog on your disk and customization contained in .pckg file. That's a risky maneuver already.

    I'd love a diskpart with gparted functionality tho and i think with stuff you showed that's how it's going to be done.

    Edit:

    TUTORIAL: As soon as W10 builds support new recovery there's going to be one I am sure.
     
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    I own a Pipo X7 with Windows 8 (BING edition), factory installed in Wimboot mode...
    Does that mean I won't be able to upgrate to Windows 10???
    I bought that box hoping to upgrade it to Win 10 when it goes RTM o_O
     
  19. reefer

    reefer MDL Novice

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    No need to worry. MS said they will support all upgrade scenarios including WIMBoot. That's what this auto-repartitioning is about partialy.
     
  20. ZaForD

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    As Reefer says, MS has promised to cover this.

    But, as with Windows Phone upgrades on phones with limited storage (4/8GB) , you will probably have to move or backup your data to an external drive to give the OS room to upgrade.