Your oldest machine running Win11

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by Netbanshee, Apr 30, 2022.

  1. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller Emperor of Ice-Cream

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    Someone in the old benchmark topic (Why not Win11 and similar tests) wanted me to do this. Dunno who exactly, but, consider it done. ;)

    Intel Atom Netbook, 1 x 1,66GHz (2 with HT), 1GB RAM, 120GB SSD. This is already borderline, the system came with Windows 7 Starter. :)

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    Log Date {UTC}: 05/11/2023 -- 01:36 {24-hour}
    
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                                                 Operating System Information
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    Installation Type               : Client
    Name                            : Microsoft Windows 11 Enterprise
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    StorageSense Policy             : Disabled {0x0}
    Number of Licensed Users        : 1
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    Feature Update Status           : Auto-resumed after being paused
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    Virtual Machine Data            : This computer does not appear to be a virtual machine
    Shipped with Reserved 7GB       : Yes
    Dirty Shutdown Count            : N/A
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    KMS Activation In Use           : Yes
    Win7 ESU {POS7} Patch {exp}     : Not required on this OS
    
    Windows Key 1 Installed         : 2YT43 (Last 5 digits shown)
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    =============== Windows 11 Checks ===============
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    Drive Type                      : SSD
    BUS Type                        : SATA
    Total Space                     : 111.18 GB
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    System Drive Letter             : C:
    
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    In your face, MS!
     
  2. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Those netbooks were already borderline with W7.

    I guess it's one of the more recent netbook models that (unlike their older counterparts) weren't even expandable to 2GB.

    1GB of ram is barely enough to run a 64Bit OS W/O even a single additional additional program....
     
  3. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller Emperor of Ice-Cream

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    I guess it's expandable, there are free slots. Anyway, it's just a POC.

    Now, all, try to top (or rather, bottom) that.
     
  4. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Ok, then you can max out to 2GB, which leads to reasonable performances. I have like 20 of those 1GB DDR2 sodim modules right here, but I guess they are very cheap anyway. Absolutely worth to max out the RAM no matter what you are going to install on it, or the final use as repurposed device.
     
  5. crobin

    crobin MDL Novice

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    Does it makes sense to use debloating scripts in this case? Or other optimizing scripts? I dont want to use Tiny11 I want to optimize myself but whats a good way to do?
     
  6. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Obviously makes sense. But makes more sense to use Server 11, which is already debloated, and optionally turn it to LTSC (or Pro/Enterprise....)
     
  7. ohenry

    ohenry MDL Senior Member

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    I'll put my IQ up against yours any day.

    I read the title of the thread, I understood the title of the thread. I did NOT make unwarranted assumptions about unstated intentions.
     
  8. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Now I'm really scared. :roflmao:

    I'm sure you did..

    I'm sure you didn't

    But, let it slide. It's a discussion forum, not a martial court.

    The world will keep spinning no matter if you get the scope of a thread or not.;)
     
  9. Project Prisma

    Project Prisma MDL Novice

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    It' true that if i install Windows 11 on an unsupported computer, i will not receive update, security fix, and versione update?

    Thanks
     
  10. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    MS will never shoot in its feet leaving a current product unprotected
     
  11. DavidinCT

    DavidinCT MDL Addicted

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    I have to ask. As Windows 10 runs like crap on my HP Netbook (it's worthless on ebay, so I keep it around but, did put a SSD in it), how well does Windows 11 run on your netbook?
     
  12. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Netbooks were underpowered even to run XP.

    Use win 8 (not win8.1) x86 or Thin PC.

    If you want to use Win 10 at least use LTSB 2015 or LTSB 2016.

    Win 11 is 64 bit only, the best you can do is to use Server 11, which comes with way less crap than Win11
     
  13. aldhi97

    aldhi97 MDL Novice

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    #175 aldhi97, May 25, 2023
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    D**n, if only I didn't turn mine into brick because I flashed some bios mod to turn on virtualization, love this netbook so much.

    Oh, and also the oldest machine I've installed & running Win11 is Dell 7447, it comes with Intel i7 4710HQ and I topped up the ram to 16GB (I wish I can go up until 32GB, but I can't find any DDR3L 16GB in my area). Yap, everything running perfectly, even I found my favorite games can runs more consistently & smoother, and the start menu animation can go more faster when I disabled the transparency effect, but right now I rolled back it to 10 LTSC since I find while the machine under heavy load, the audio starting to crackling (I'm playing youtube music).
     
  14. ExiledRose6084

    ExiledRose6084 MDL Junior Member

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    I can run windows 11 on my HP 255 G1 it's a AMD E2-2000 with AMD 7340 HD graphics (CPU is dual core 1.75ghz), also 8GB of ram (DDR3), & have SSD installed.

    Though one issue is that my laptops fan kicks onto full gear even if the laptop is cool. So no idea what's up there & the other issue only runs OK as long as the OS is de bloated.
     
  15. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Do you mean a stock W11 or a decently debloated one?

    If it's the first case, that's somewhat normal, your notebook is FIVE years newer than my Turion X2 (which run W11 w/o a sweat), but newer doesn't mean more powerful...

    Indeed on passmark yours reach 492 points while mine is 631

    So, for sure you need to disable/remove at least the defender cancer
     
  16. ExiledRose6084

    ExiledRose6084 MDL Junior Member

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    Yeah, in order for windows 11 to run remotely well it need to be debloated & of course no Microsoft Defender. Though eh truthfully if I want to preserve the laptop longer then well 10 years.

    Need to use something lightweight on it. I mean truthfully, I saw your post recommending windows 10 LTSB 2015 or 2016 to someone above & I tried out LTSB 2015 & it runs way faster/better.
     
  17. maddogster

    maddogster MDL Senior Member

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    unsupported means no drivers/bios/firmware updates or proper driver support hence fans and gpu and many other issues that will always arise, so you take good with bad unless find some miracle driver writers or bios hack updates/third party software or apps to support old hardware on new OS :)
     
  18. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Come on! Do you really think that W11 is unable to understand a spinning fan sensor that talks via a standard ACPI sensor, something defined in the days of Win98 (first edition)?

    Here the problem is clearly a CPU load problem, and the fan spins because has to to keep the CPU cool.