10240 to 10586 x64 "update" is 2.55 GB?!?

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  1. pf100

    pf100 MDL Addicted

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    I just got a new awesome gaming computer! Yay! BUT, why, oh why, is the update from 10240 to 10586 x64 2.55 GB? My internet is slow and I just don't get it. If I'd known that I'd have installed 10586 to begin with. I mean, it's not an update, it's a complete upgrade. It's going to take 8 hours to download that. I'm mad and want to rant. Are they going to do it like this from now on, completely replacing the damn OS every so often with a freakin' multi-gigabyte "update"? Did I mention I'm mad about it? This is me cursing with every curse word I can think of. Twice. And after the upgrade I'm absolutely sure I'll have to delete the "$Windows.~BT" and whatever else folder the damn upgrade makes. I'm glad I know a lot about computers. The average Joe doesn't stand a chance with all this B.S.
    Yesterday I installed windows 7 ultimate on an old hard drive, got the genuineticket.xml with gatherosstate.exe, replaced that drive with my main one, clean installed windows 10240 offline, put the genuineticket.xml in the correct folder, rebooted, got online, and it activated immediately. Then I started updates last night with my windows update full control script with wumt and here I am on day 2, still not done yet.
    The bright side is, when all this is over and everything is working, I'm going to play elaborate computer games where you blow up stuff and kill people to relieve my pent up anger. AAARGHH!!!!!!!
     
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  2. Tito

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    It started from 8 -> 8.1, nothing new. BTW, at this time it would be better to directly start with 10586.
     
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  3. pf100

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    #3 pf100, Jan 20, 2016
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    Yes, I see that. If only I knew then what I know now...

    Edit: Also, by starting with 10240 and then updating, it's taking longer to install Windows 10 than it took for me to build my gaming p.c. from a pile of parts. I'm not kidding.
     
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  4. CODYQX4

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    Because it's pretty much installing a whole OS with new files even if those changes were minimal, hell changing 2 lines of code and updating the version.

    I've been using the 10586 ISOs. You should be able to either clean install or upgrade (also, you can install this update on 10 via ISO by effectively upgrading on Windows 10).

    In fact I've always had to do this because when I tried downloading from WU it got trapped at a percent downloading forever, never to continue and the ISO upgrade method fixed it. I don't trust the reliability of WU at all.
     
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  5. pf100

    pf100 MDL Addicted

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    I haven't had any problems using WUMT to do updates, but if I ever do I'll definitely use the newest iso to upgrade or install instead.
     
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  6. shawnmos

    shawnmos MDL Member

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    Well it's basically like a service pack. Those were huge too.
     
  7. Myrrh

    Myrrh MDL Expert

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    Actually it's basically like, in fact it exactly is, an upgrade from a previous version to a new version. As surely as if you inserted the new version's DVD and ran setup. The entire operating system gets replaced.
     
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  8. LiteOS

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    its not "update" for say
    its installing new os with all config reapplied and files copied

    thats why its so big
     
  9. pf100

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    This ^^^^^^^
     
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  10. bpwnes

    bpwnes MDL Member

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    This. The huge download is a new .wim or .esd (whichever they're using right now, so esd I suppose) which is then used to upgrade install the OS. The days of service packs are gone.

    Btw, if 10 gets messed up to the point where you have to Reset/Refresh it, you can do an in place upgrade using the Media Creation Tool and it won't uninstall all your programs.
     
  11. bromanbro

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    If you're running Pro, check 'defer upgrades' to delay these larger release upgrades.
     
  12. pf100

    pf100 MDL Addicted

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    I'm running pro. But then won't they at some point force a major upgrade anyway? I mean, am I not by deferring upgrades just making myself 3 or 6 months behind until these same forced upgrades happen anyway?
     
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  13. pf100

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    #13 pf100, Jan 21, 2016
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    The "update" failed so I converted the ESD file downloaded during the update to iso and am going to wipe out this install and clean install 10586. It was just after a clean install of 10240 anyway. Nothing to lose. I'm done. This is bulls**t.

    Update: I made a bootable flash drive with the iso and everything's going okay now.
     
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  14. bromanbro

    bromanbro MDL Member

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    Yes, but you'll still be upgrading less often. Plus, more stability since the builds will have been patched for several months already.
     
  15. rpo

    rpo MDL Senior Member

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    I guess that upgrading to the next release (red stone) will be the same uggly process.
     
  16. Myrrh

    Myrrh MDL Expert

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    Best practice IMO, if you have slow internet:

    Go somewhere the internet is faster, obtain the latest ISO (or the correct esd so you can generate your own). Transport that on usb media back to the machine(s) with slow internet connection. Mount the ISO and run setup.
     
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  17. shawnmos

    shawnmos MDL Member

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    Well this is true, but I remember service packs taking just as long to install so to the end user, not much difference.