[Chit Chat] Windows 10 Enterprise/IoT Enterprise (N) LTSC 2021

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  1. yobayoba2018

    yobayoba2018 MDL Novice

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    IoT LTSC 2021 = Enterprise LTSC 2021 + 5 more years of security updates. The OS itself should be pretty much the same.
    IoT LTSC 2019 was almost identical to Enterprise LTSC 2019.
     
  2. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    100% identical except the licensing and after install no IoT mentioning to be found.
     
  3. spanishfly

    spanishfly MDL Senior Member

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    #303 spanishfly, Oct 30, 2021
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  4. Kevinot

    Kevinot MDL Novice

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    MS made s**t sow in naimg scheme. Thanks for clarification. Now we wait for Consumer ISOs to be released.
     
  5. D0ttyDotDo

    D0ttyDotDo MDL Novice

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    Say if we need the 10 years support of IoT LTSC then we have to wait for someone to leak the OEM installation media? :(
     
  6. dummekuehe

    dummekuehe MDL Addicted

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    I think i remember switching a retail non vlk iot to a regular enterprise by entering a gvlk key via slmgr -ipk
    Shouldn't that work the other way around too?
     
  7. Rickkins

    Rickkins MDL Senior Member

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    Dear God in heaven, what fun would that be. You ever consider that maybe we like being confused...?? :D:D:D
     
  8. Faithman

    Faithman MDL Novice

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    I would like to ask folks who will upgrade their system from old 1809 LTSC to new one in future, if you have some spare time, do cpu and couple of game benchmarks before updating, I would love to see if there is some difference.

    Was looking at youtube benchmarks for intel+nvidia, for gaming it seems there was general 5% fps drop (in couple of games even 10%) going from 1607 (LTSB)->1809(LTSC), and folks benchmakring 1809(LTSC) to 21H1 reporting drop of 10% in fps.

    I would do it myself but not currently using Windows yet.
     
  9. Sir007

    Sir007 MDL Secret Agent

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    I have 30% more fps by using win7 basic.
     
  10. Faithman

    Faithman MDL Novice

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    #310 Faithman, Oct 30, 2021
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    I have to disagree with that, was testing that back in the day and Win10 is giving you a smoother gaming experience and less fps drops then Win7 (even if you get couple of fps more in W7), by time they released 1607, Win7 was left behind, from my testing ofc.

    What I think is happening, fps was going down since 1607, so with 21H1 its down around 5-10 fps. There are some early benchmarks Win10 21H2 vs Win11 and look at that Win11 is getting 5-10 fps more at gaming.
    Basically it's like they were lowering perfomance for five years slowly, then release same software with different name and give you back that fps, presented as "new better optimized code, update now and buy a new cpu".

    Ofc if you play with vsync on and 60 fps (as I do) it won't matter much. Only thing I don't know, will you get some fps drops (stutters) in newer versions.
     
  11. tittyballz

    tittyballz MDL Novice

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    There's your problem, Intel security patches tank performance so of course the older versions worked better because they didn't have the patches, the newer versions do. AMD doesn't have performance issues between LTSC versions, I've gone from 1607>1809, no performance loss and when I go this next LTSC I don't expect to see any loss either, in fact I'm hoping for AMD RayTracing to actually work.
     
  12. RokkumanX

    RokkumanX MDL Member

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    Speaking of gaming, since NVIDIA stopped with Standard drivers and LTSC don't have the store, can it even run the DCH drivers?

    I take it you can but can't run the NVIDIA control panel which would suck.

    Frankly, there is just to many things and changes going on these days, it's better to stick with regular Enterprise and remove the things you don't need by yourself.

    I will stick with that route for the time being, I used to be a LTSC spokesman but not anymore.
     
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  13. JHB

    JHB MDL Novice

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    They stopped with standard drivers? I just installed the latest standard drivers, for my RTX 3080, and I’m using 2019 LTSC.
     
  14. RokkumanX

    RokkumanX MDL Member

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  15. Faithman

    Faithman MDL Novice

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    Actually I just did a test install for 1809, installed newest dch drivers, nvidia will install control panel for you, i have win store disabled in gpedit but didnt configure disable all store apps so i could run nvidia cp even thou i dont have a store app installed.
     
  16. RokkumanX

    RokkumanX MDL Member

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    Hey, that actually makes me a little more confident, thanks for testing!
     
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  17. AndyMutz

    AndyMutz MDL Senior Member

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    what gives you that idea??
    LTSC can run all UWP apps just fine, as the store API is included like in any other windows 10 version.
    if you install intel, realtek or nvidia DCH drivers, the UWP control panels get installed automatically, too.

    -andy-
     
  18. MMIKEE

    MMIKEE MDL Senior Member

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    #320 MMIKEE, Oct 31, 2021
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