Dangers of builds 25905+

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by moonlightz, Aug 17, 2023.

  1. moonlightz

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  2. moonlightz

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    And it arrived...
    I bought the HP Compaq Elite 8300 Convertible MT.
    Such lovely machine. *cof* *cof*
    It has an Intel I7 3770 cpu along with 8GB DDR3-1800 (I added more 2x 4GB DDR3-1333... total now 16GB DDR3 at 1333mhz, need to source 2x ddr3-1600)... 256GB SSD......ugly displayport (i need a converter dp -> HDMI)...
    I took the SSD tha contained the build 25393 from previous pc and hooked it to the HP 8300 and Windows 11 just ... worked. No MBR -> GPT conversion done. HOWEVER, the UEFI *cof* sees the ssd as legacy... I suppose If I convert it (using some other tool like AOMEI Partition Assistant), it will appear as uefi bootable ssd.
    Build 25947 just got installed. I can see the time on the screen.
    But this isn't kinda solving the main problem. I still want to upgrade the laptop from 25393 to the 259xx.
    The main pc really needed the upgrade... I can't be hassled to setup things again. I should do a clean install but I don't want to.
    Meanwhile, I will keep posting.
    For now, I can see that the BIOS/UEFI needs updating.
    This HP 8300 already comes with TPM 1.2 according with Device Manager.
     
  3. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    DP is a way better thing than the HDMI cancer

    And what's the problem? On a machine of that age just enable the CSM in the bios. Converting a MBR disk in a GPT one when not needed is just masochism.

    Thanks God is not enough for Win11.
     
  4. silkarkadu

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    #105 silkarkadu, Sep 9, 2023
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    Running Virtualbox 7.0.10 on a Q9650 with Q45 chipset host and the VM with 25947 boot CD is freezing at Windows logo screen with both PIIX3 and ICH9
     
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    #107 Jackhello, Sep 9, 2023
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    I'm also affected by this, it freezes at logo.(Athlon 64x2 5600+ ASRock 960GC-GS FX)

    I'm on build 25193 which also has a timebomb(ETA ~5 days) and I'm trying to save this install. Tried a few things, also tried Win_11_Boot_And_Upgrade_FiX_KiT_v4.0 but nothing worked so far..
     
  7. Jackhello

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    Last time when a timebomb hit i was on a Win10 insider build and it stopped booting into windows. I had to do a clean install.
    Now i have everything backed up and waiting for a fix. Just need to remember to disconnect from internet and turn back the clock before restoring and trying the fix. :D

    They enabled the cpu/chipset check only on insider builds, tried the release build win11_22H2_English_x64v2 and it worked fine.
     
  8. Enthousiast

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    Maybe don't run test builds on 15+ year old stuff and expect it to work forever, at some point we can't fix it anymore.
     
  9. acer-5100

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    That's another type of timebomb, those builds have each main files signed with a certificate that expires. You can't even boot the ISO past the TB date.

    Here (at least on the builds I checked) it's just matter of kernel policies, past the TB date the build just reboots after 2hrs.
     
  10. Jackhello

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    So have everything work flawless, where is the fun in that?

    Also they probably gonna release this "feature" in Windows 12 if not sooner, so i bet there are smart people working on a fix as we speak.
     
  11. Enthousiast

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    My wife threw all ancient pc's i had out (24 pcs). she allowed me to keep 8 but these will be trashed next year too, i still have a few ancient vista era laptops and on the T6500 25xxx stopped working, but even when i got it installed nobody in this household would feel the need to keep it working, except for testing purposes but then i still have i3 and i5 first gen systems that also are ancient by now.

    I know some are still trying to get xp installed on modern systems, but those are the 0.01%.
     
  12. silkarkadu

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    the timebomb did not activate on the 15th of September. 25393 works as before
     
  13. acer-5100

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    No idea, because I removed it, but usually with this kind of TB windows restarts (no question asked) every two hrs
     
  14. moonlightz

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    Heya fellas...
    Nothing changed the last time I wrote.
    I been playing with the HP Elite 8300. Such great machine. *cof*.. It has its own bad moods but it works fine. Currently it has build 25947. I will only upgrade build when I see that worths to upgrade.
    When I was wandering the interwebs, there are some folks that managed to make this and other beasts to boot NVMe using the PCIe x4 3.0 slot and a NVMe adapter reaching speeds far greater than the SSD ones. But I won't use NVMe because SSD is fast enough. I can reach the lockscreen in less than 15 seconds with fast boot/hibernation off. Interested people just use google and search for hp 8300 nvme.

    Regarding to my ex-main pc Q9550, I took the NVIDIA Geforce 8500 GT and installed Windows 11 build 23545. The gft is an intel G41 express. And it works great.

    The laptop got it's ssd cloned with Norton Ghost 12 and I installed... Windows 10 19045....
    When we got used to Windows 11, Windows 10 feels like ... it lacks sugar. However it opens things a bit faster.
    Microsoft still DID NOT FIX the damn pseudo-hover icons over the task bar. When I have the mouse pointer over an icon and move the pointer up, the task bar shows the tool tip for that task bar icon. I can move the mouse all over the Desktop and the tool tip never dismisses. It is a rare misbehavior but it happens since... XP maybe... or Windows 7.

    Remember that I won't use Windows 11 builds 226xx/23xxx because Windows dislikes Nvidia gfx. The image freezes if the screen wakes up by moving the mouse. I don't want to always press ctrl+alt+delete everytime this happens nor want to leave the screen always on.

    Even if the timebomb doesn't kaboom with 25393, there will be there always the nag when you login.
     
  15. acer-5100

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    You must be really young to mistake poison for sugar. :D
     
  16. silkarkadu

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    yeah, but on 25393 is not enforced in any way; so no forced restarts for those unable to update
    perhaps finding a workaround will gain traction after newer generations of CPUs will be banned as well
     
  17. acer-5100

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    Good to know, I have SKUswitched all the Server 11/ Win11 beta, in advance anyway.

    The annoying popoup after skuswitch is still there saying the build will expire soon (v.s. this build is expired), but that's easy to overcome as I wrote elsewhere.

    Just set

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\SoftwareProtectionPlatform\NoExpirationUX to 1
     
  18. silkarkadu

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    #119 silkarkadu, Oct 8, 2023
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    it seems that 25967 might be just it to gain the traction I mentioned; old workarounds don't work for additional CPUs
     
  19. PolidelticusFire

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    Wait, 25967 is also removing more CPUs from the supported list?
     
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