[DISCUSSION] Windows 10 Demoted Back to Insider Preview 17133.1 (PC) [RS4_Release]

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Enthousiast, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. SM03

    SM03 MDL Expert

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    I didn't get you. Would you explain a bit

    EDIT Nevermind. I got it.
     
  2. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    I don't care if you're "problem" gets solved, if this is your answer to a very specific question, you just posting the whole range of intel cpu's.
     
  3. SAM-R

    SAM-R MDL Guru

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    Twitter is on fire right now. Dona has said the Win 10 Team is looking at doing a Tour of Europe + Russia and wants to see who has interest.
     
  4. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    They should focus on the core business, releasing stuff.
     
  5. ksio89

    ksio89 MDL Member

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    I'm still confused. Is 17133.1 an Insider Preview build for RS4, or is it RTM? Is just a matter of downloading the standalone CU to update from 17133.73?
     
  6. s1ave77

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    Only difference in UUP files is the update CAB. And seems to be RTM.
     
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  7. SAM-R

    SAM-R MDL Guru

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    Look at it this way. Insider Builds Do Not get CU's, they get New Builds. 17133.1 just got a CU to 17133.73. So what does that tell you about 17133.1 ?
     
  8. toyo

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    Small quirk of SCU. In the FCU, turning off GameBar and everything related and playing game in (exclusive) Fullscreen would result in well, just that. Exclusive fullscreen would mean the game/application has the GPU's full attention. There won't be any overlays, even from Windows. Adjusting the volume, for example, would not result in an overlay for it in the top left corner of the screen.

    Now in SCU, there's an overlay for volume there, even if I have turned off everything just like in FCU. Looks to me that exclusive fullscreen is no longer working for some reason, it's not a huge deal, but it can result in framerate drops, stuttering and the such. Other people have reported that Borderless Fullscreen modes would give them better performance, it was never the case in my experience, as that's sharing the GPU with other applications.

    Strangely enough, Alt-TAB is still taking a longer time with SCU/Fullscreen, so it's not Borderless either. Alt-TABbing with Borderless is fast and fluent (main advantage for borderless imo), there's no need for the GPU to "recover" from the game to the desktop.

    Yet, there is the overlay... which should not be there. Strange. maybe anyone knows how/why this happens?
     
  9. MELERIX

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    #1710 MELERIX, Apr 12, 2018
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    where is that post ? btw the bug with modern apps running/stuck in background (as zombie processes) even when are not executed is even present in build 17639, for example with "Photos" process eating a lot of RAM.
     
  10. MELERIX

    MELERIX MDL Expert

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    yes, it's still an Insider Preview Build, until RTM is officially announced by Microsoft and officially available through Windows Update and ISO images.
     
  11. lobo11

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  12. cuteee

    cuteee MDL Guru

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    Insider builds get delta 1000 and can updated to 1001.
     
  13. Puremin0rez

    Puremin0rez MDL Senior Member

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    "Full Screen Optimizations" is probably responsible for this. Right click the games executable, and disable fullscreen optimizations in the compatibility tab and see if that resolves your "issue".

    It's not really an issue and i doubt it's causing you any problems, the game is still indeed running exclusive. Windows has just made some improvements in how it's able to render overlays to exclusive games without going borderless.
     
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  14. micil

    micil MDL Novice

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    After installing 17133.1, seeing the crap of candy crush and other game packs without asking if I want games,
    I disable the windows update from the services.
    Now I've seen another silly install in the store, a local bla bla bla bla bla, I went into the service and found windows update on enable
    In services there is another service that we have not seen (or noticed) in earlier versions of windows 10,
    windows update medic service (Enables remediation and protection of Windows Update components) that does not go on disable ...
    In conclusion, these microsoft programs force unwanted programs ...
    sorry for english translation
     
  15. kewkie

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    Reverted back to build 16299.371 on my gaming rig and gaming (!) performance is way better, so I assume it is a driver issue (nvidia? intel? - Optimus is a pain in the ass anyways...) the actual performance on windows itself in build 17133.73 is still good (or even better? Idk, didnt notice any hicups since it was only the gaming performance)

    What else I noticed (not sure if relevant or has to do with something else):

    Build 16299.371: winver shows "Windows User" as name of the license

    Build 17133.73: winver shows the actual name you put during installation

    Nothing big, was just something I just noticed recently.
     
  16. cpatrick08

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    There may be a beta Nvidia driver that will work better with 1803, and I've had my drivers revert back to default after upgrading so I upgrade them when I upgrade to a new build.
     
  17. kewkie

    kewkie MDL Member

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    Had this in my mind aswell, checking the nvidia driver page for beta drivers but nothing yet for my card. So I'll just wait :)

    Since build is running good on my 2nd laptop I am find with this. But thanks for the heads up.
     
  18. TairikuOkami

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    I have solved it. I had usoclient.exe and FlashUtil_ActiveX.exe blocked, upon resetting those, the update installed just fine. Plus SFC scan +restart of course, SFC scan alone did not help.
    Code:
    icacls "%SystemRoot%\System32\Macromed\Flash\FlashUtil_ActiveX.exe" /reset
    icacls "%SystemRoot%\SysWow64\Macromed\Flash\FlashUtil_ActiveX.exe" /reset
    icacls "%WINDIR%\System32\UsoClient.exe" /reset


    How do you turn off gamebar? I use this, plus I remove "GameBarPresenceWriter.exe".
    Code:
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\GameDVR" /v "AppCaptureEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\GameBar" /v "UseNexusForGameBarEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\GameBar" /v "ShowStartupPanel" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKCU\System\GameConfigStore" /v "GameDVR_Enabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GameDVR" /v "AllowgameDVR" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\BcastDVRUserService" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d "4" /f
    reg add "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\xbgm" /v "Start" /t REG_DWORD /d "4" /f
    sc config XblAuthManager start= disabled
    sc config XblGameSave start= disabled
    sc config XboxGipSvc start= disabled
    sc config XboxNetApiSvc start= disabled
    schtasks /Change /TN "Microsoft\XblGameSave\XblGameSaveTask" /Disable
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\GameBar" /v "UseNexusForGameBarEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\GameDVR" /v "AppCaptureEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\GameDVR" /v "AudioCaptureEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    reg add "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\GameDVR" /v "CursorCaptureEnabled" /t REG_DWORD /d "0" /f
    
    takeown /f "%WinDir%\System32\GameBarPresenceWriter.exe" /a
    icacls "%WinDir%\System32\GameBarPresenceWriter.exe" /grant:r Administrators:F /c
    taskkill /im GameBarPresenceWriter.exe /f
    del "%WinDir%\System32\GameBarPresenceWriter.exe" /s /f /q
    
     
  19. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    plus I remove "GameBarPresenceWriter.exe". I just block that one :p
     
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