Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

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Will the wall be effective against illegal immigrants?

  1. Yes, the wall will be largely effective

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  2. It will only have a small effect not worth the cost

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  3. No, it will be a monumental failure

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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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  2. Mr.X

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    This is far more interesting :rolleyes:

    Btw may I give you a hug gorski? :D

     
  3. Michaela Joy

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    Does anybody think that Trump might have watched this?

    Maybe this is Trump's 'Bif F**kin Thing'. :D
     
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  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Mr X, you are a pure masochist! :eek: "Debate"?:confused: What debate?:rolleyes: R u nuts? :D

    Sorry, me not very good with xenophobes. racists, superiority complex ridden people etc. No hugs, thanx...:rolleyes:

    Any babes around? :p
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    :clap:

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    :tasty:


    If I was her you wouldn't say no, would you?
     
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  7. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Mr X - the very thought of nasty politics/principles really puts me off, sorry to disappoint... Look at the Croatian president, boobs, blonde, waist line and all:rolleyes: but when she speaks I shudder...:eek: Ergghhh...:biggrin:
     
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  8. Katzenfreund

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    Back on topic from the admittedly more appealing discussion of babes, the wall project seems to have been shelved for he time being due to lack of funds. Congress has struck a budget deal to avert a government shutdown, but it allocates no cash for President Donald Trump's proposed US-Mexico border wall.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39767844

    Could this be a tactical excuse for Trump to pull out of a major pre-election promise?-
     
  9. JFKI

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    Contractors Begin Building Prototypes For Trump's Border Wall

    Contractors Begin Building Prototypes For Trump's Border Wall
    September 26, 20175:55 PM ET
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    A Border Patrol vehicle rides beside an already existing portion of the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border south of San Diego.

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    After months of competition and preparation, contractors broke ground Tuesday on eight prototypes for President Trump's long-promised border wall. U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced that the companies would have about 30 days to complete construction on their prototypes in San Diego.

    "We are committed to securing our border and that includes constructing border walls," CBP's acting deputy commissioner, Ronald Vitiello, said in a statement Tuesday.

    "Our multi-pronged strategy to ensure the safety and security of the American people includes barriers, infrastructure, technology and people. Moving forward with the prototype enables us to continue to incorporate all the tools necessary to secure our border."

    Construction on 8 wall prototypes began today in San Diego. The prototypes are designed to deter illegal border crossings. (1/2) pic.twitter.com/WB1rIojgLj

    — CBP (@CustomsBorder) September 26, 2017
    Six contractors from across the country have been selected to build the eight prototypes, half of which will be constructed of concrete and the other half of "other materials." The walls are to range between 18 and 30 feet high and succeed in one prevailing goal: "deter illegal crossings in the area in which they are constructed."

    Once built, they will undergo testing by the Department of Homeland Security.

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    The Two-Way
    Trump Administration Selects Contractors For Border Wall Prototypes

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    The Two-Way
    PHOTOS: The Many Possible Shapes Of Trump's Border Wall

    And all the while, officials are preparing for a fair share of protests against the controversial project. The Los Angeles Times reports that miles of fencing have been put up in San Diego's Otay Mesa region — a "checkerboard of public and private land ownership" where the prototypes are to be built — and no-parking zones will be in effect through Nov. 10.

    The free speech area designated for potential protesters is a "dusty, unshaded, weed-choked lot overlooking Otay Mesa and more than 1.5 miles away from construction," according to The San Diego Union-Tribune.

    That said, the paper reports there appeared to be no protesters around as construction kicked off Tuesday, and at least one local activist expressed skepticism the project was even worth protesting at the moment.

    "It's just political theater," Hiram Soto, spokesman for Alliance San Diego, told the Times. "There is no funding for it in Congress."

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    As Boy Peers Curiously Over Border Wall, His Artist Asks: 'What Is He Thinking?'

    Trump relented earlier this month on a threat to shut down the federal government if lawmakers failed to approve funds for the wall, striking a deal with Democrats to delay multiple fiscal deadlines with no strings attached. He has also appeared to acknowledge he won't require border wall funding to be part of a possible deal to save the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA.

    On the campaign trail and early in his administration, Trump had said repeatedly that Mexico would pay for the wall's construction — a proposition that has also been repeatedly rejected by Mexican leaders.

    Estimates for the cost of the border wall have ranged up to $38 billion. The Department of Homeland Security plans to pay for the construction of the prototypes, which cost up to $500,000 each, with funds reallocated internally from other programs.
     
  10. JFKI

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    Courtesy of CHEF-KOCH.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...wall-prototypes-are-complete-now-what-n815106

    Trump’s Border Wall Prototypes Are Complete. Now What?
    by Adam Edelman



    The eight looming prototypes rising from the California desert were in keeping with President Donald Trump’s desire for a "physically imposing" barrier between the U.S. and Mexico.

    But any construction of the real wall is close to a year off — and there's another issue: There's no money.

    The border wall prototypes were made exactly to specification: Four from concrete and four others from non-concrete materials that could be used for stretches of barrier that can be seen through.

    But any meaningful construction is still at least 10 months away, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials said.

    First order of business? Letting the samples bake for 30 days as the concrete dries.

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    This combination of pictures shows the eight prototypes of President Donald Trump's U.S.-Mexico border wall near San Diego seen from across the border from Tijuana, Mexico, on Oct. 22, 2017. Guillermo Arias / AFP - Getty Images
    Then, CBP personnel will run comprehensive "breachability" tests on the completed prototypes, each 18 to 30 feet high, and on separate, smaller mock-ups at a nearby facility, agency officials said.

    Tests on the prototypes will be used to determine "whether they can withstand breaching methods and equipment," CBP Acting Deputy Commissioner Ron Vitiello said.

    "Can it be climbed, can it be dug under, can it withstand cutting tools," Vitiello explained.

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    Two of the eight prototypes for President Donald Trump's US-Mexico border wall near San Diego is seen from across the border from Tijuana, Mexico, on Oct. 22, 2017. Guillermo Arias / AFP - Getty Images
    Evaluations at the off-site facility will include another battery of physical tests designed to determine whether the samples can be punctured. According to the Associated Press, those tests will be conducted by workers sporting an array of heavy tools, including sledgehammers, torches and pickaxes.

    Testing will take at least 30 to 60 days, CBP officials said, and the results will help the agency determine what features would be used in a new round of construction.

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    See How Trump's Border Wall Prototypes Are Taking Shape 2:51
    The agency might select one winner, but it's more likely to identify the best features from each of the prototypes to design the specifications for another RFP, or request for proposal, for a new and improved prototype design.

    According to a rendering released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials, Trump's wall has been envisioned as a multi-faceted barrier that features a concrete stretch facing the U.S. and a non-concrete stretch facing Mexico that would allow officials to see through it.

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    A graphic presented by border patrol during a presentation about the proposed border wall. NBC News
    This image shows the concrete portion of the wall (E) would sit on the U.S.-facing side of an electronically monitored zone and another barrier (B) — which can be seen through — faces toward the Mexico. The monitoring zone would be about 150 feet wide and alert patrol agents if someone breached the initial border barrier.

    Vitiello said he expected it to take "three to four" months to reach the point where the agency would have that RFP prepared.

    After that, the agency would have to evaluate bids, select a bid and, finally, conduct more construction. The same process for the round of prototypes just completed took about seven months (the federal government began soliciting proposals for the current prototypes in March).

    But there's another problem that will all-but-certainly add time: There is no funding for anything beyond the current prototype construction.

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    President Donald J. Trump walks to the White House from the South Lawn after arriving there by Marine One, in Washington, DC on Aug. 14, 2017. Michael Reynolds / EPA file
    The White House’s proposed 2018 budget seeks about $1.6 billion to begin building new sections of the wall and replace existing ones. Furthermore, White House officials have suggested that the entire wall project could cost between $8 and $12 billion. And, internal DHS assessments suggest the cost could be higher — as much as $21 billion.

    "Everything that we do new from this point forward will require appropriations," Vitiello said. "It will be expensive."
     
  11. Katzenfreund

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    The project is progressing slowly, protracted till the next elections, so that Trump can use the construction of the wall to get re-elected. Because if it finishes and proves ineffective, he'll have to promise a Maginot Line,
     
  12. Michaela Joy

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    @Katzen: A sensible speculation. If the Dems take the presidency, the wall will be shelved.
     
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    trump is a turd.
     
  14. R29k

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    Bloody immigrants they will eat all the tuna fish and the real murricans will get none. USA needs walls and fences and hide the tuna fish or better yet hide the can openers.
    The red white and blue will feast on tacos, oooh wait we don't know how to make tacos. What can real murricans cook, oooh wait we don't know how to cook we buy food from the immigrants. Dammit they have the food market cornered. Moooar fences the real murricans will make murrica great again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/us/retro-anti-immigration.html
     
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  15. gorski

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    :D :D :D
     
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  16. JFKI

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    :eek: You are right. We DO need moar walls... To keep the R29k clones out. :p
     
  17. gorski

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    I disagree most profoundly: we (the rest of the non-Anglo-Amurican world) need to build our own internet, trade, banking and financial organisations... On top of that, the Canadians and Mexicans, not to mention the Russians, MUST build a very, very high "wall" to keep the Amuuuricans (like JFK) out, together with serious "walls" for US capital (everybody, like the Chinese, Indians etc.) and visas etc. etc.

    In short, all the "goodies" we can retaliate with, most of them probably the very same ones that the Amuuuricans (a la Trump & co.) are using...

    Let's see how long their "best version of capitalism" lives then... ;)
     
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  18. R29k

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    That won't bother the real murricans, their knowledge is relegated to whatever is on reality TV. :laie:
     
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    :D :D :D
     
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